Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[No Surrender No Retreat]

Brigette, you cease to amaze me with your intell/insight. NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Damn right!!!!! NSNR

[Capn TrVth]

"NO ONE sweats like that unless they are afraid of something."

Agreed, but I have to entertain the notion that "the van der Sweat" was a result of "concern for his Son."

-Even though he LOOKS like an egg suckin' dog.(to me)

[demkicker]

Good morning, kcvl. I'm hoping you've been reading some interesting information about the cell phone providers in Aruba. There's some good info that should be passed on to the family. Start at brigette's post #3294.

On O'Reilly last night, Greta said the cell phone & text message records were what is needed to help break this case. Knowing the locations of where JVDS was when he called the Kalpoes is key and knowing what he text messaged them is extremely important too.

After the spokesperson from the prosecutions office told Greta that the family may ask and be granted some communication from the prosecutions office, it sounded like that will be what Beth tries to do today. Beth was on Fox & Friends this morning and is SOOOO frustrated that she doesn't have a clue about where the authorities are in the investigation. I'm wondering if Beth has asked the FBI about those cell records? Let's hope that today is the day Natalee will be found.

Please keep us posted & our prayers are with all of you.

[GarySpFc]

The only "evidence" in hand as of yet:

"The van der Sweat"

Wrong! The fact that JvdS was last seen with her is evidence. The fact that he and the others lied is very strong evidence. Those are but two pieces.

[texasbluebell]

NO ONE sweats like that unless they are afraid of something. Ask any police officer or detective who deals with criminals. That is one of the first signs of someone lying. They are pouring sweat just like PVDS. I have seen it myself. It's not a little sweat, it's pouring especially from the face and head. If his wife had to get him towels to wipe it up that is very telling.

I saw the interview too when he was sweating so profusely. There was a particular rivulet that ran from the hairline all the way down to the eye, while the camera was doing a close-up of him. I was fascinated to watch it slowly flow, it seemed to be as wide as my little finger.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Pacifist liberal democrats, crack-heads, Psychopaths-R-Us and the rest of the criminal malcontents attending college. NSNR

[demkicker]

Wrong! The fact that JvdS was last seen with her is evidence. The fact that he and the others lied is very strong evidence. Those are but two pieces.

Circumstantial evidence has a way of accumulating. Joran admits being the last one to see Natalee before her disappearance. He has been caught in numerous lies and is evidently not answering all the investigator's questions.

PVDS's behavior towards Beth & Jug is most incriminating, IMO. When PVDS repeatedly kept telling Joran to shut up and not say anything and told the Twitty's, "You're not in America", when they were asking them questions, reeks of a cover-up. Rather than being helpful, his behavior wasn't normal. In fact, he was down right hostile and arrogant (Joran too).

Then, his demeanor completely changed when Beth & Greta went to the VDS house. PVDS could hardly communicate except for his profuse sweating. Beth picked up on his strange behavior and evidently has even more suspicions & information she is not sharing with the public.

Sounds like circumstantial evidence won't win a conviction in Aruba like it can in the U.S., but my gut is screaming the VDSs are guilty as hell. It makes getting those cell & text message records and finding Natalee's body imperative.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Maybe someone will remember those words when Joran gets out of jail free and comes to America to attend college.

I don't believe that young Joran will be attending college in the U.S. any longer. I'm sure this family will hightail it back to Holland if they get away with this. Joran will have to find a Euro-party-school instead.

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Dry mouth, constantly swallowing, hand wringing, irregular breathing pattern, sighs, shifting eyes, and clasping hands together to maintain an appearance of conformity. Remember the glasses of ice water? PVDS needed his water for his guilt thirst. Kevl, I just wanted to add a few more indicators of a (lying perp). NSNR

[No Surrender No Retreat]

Hey Quilla, just ask Al Gore he is the expert. Metabolism speeds up when dicussing information one feels thoroughly uncomfortable with knowing they might get caught lying(guilt)sweating profusely. Normal? PVSD would have been inclimated to the Island tropics along time ago. Why would he be sweating so much if not lying? He is, was and will continue to lie. How are things in Dothan? NSNR

[truthluva]

{They also showed a driver in the water - I just did not take a picture of it.}

The driver in the water...? Was it Teddy?

[No Surrender No Retreat]

He will fit right in with the Euro-trash. Damn! "It's an American thing, They sure as hell will never understand." NSNR

[elli1]

Profuse sweating is a symptom of anxiety.

I think that it is fair to say that PVDS was in a stressful situation regardless. And it is possible that he has an underlying anxiety disorder. In any case, there are other possible explanations other than ''He was lying.''

Anxiety symptoms: For no apparent reason you break into hot or cold sweats. You may also experience hot flashes or excessive sweating for no reason. These sweating periods are more frequent and uncontrollable when under stress or in stressful or important situations such as family gatherings, business meetings, or social situations.

[MAWG]

"...... except that Aruba is not a third world country."

Soon, it will be.

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Per my post # 3321, I'm in complete agreement there.

[elli1]

Rather than being helpful, his behavior wasn't normal.

You're probably correct. If eleven horn-honking, perturbed people showed up outside my house at 3 a.m. & demanded to speak to my 17 YO son, they'd have been greeted with Ole' Bess.

[Quilla]

Hiya NSNR. I agree with you and Beth Twitty, the man in lying through his teeth. Visitaruba.com provides the following:

Aruba is situated 12 degrees 30' north of the equator. The climate is tropical but not extreme, with a median and practically constant temperature of 82 degrees Fahrenheit (28 degrees Celsius).

You're right, he should be used to the tropical climate that in no way resembles the expected 90 degree, humid as all get out day we're having in Dothan.

[TexKat]

Thanks for that report maggiefluffs.

[TexKat]

This report comes from a very reliable and objective source in Aruba.

Uh, ok!!