Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

The transcript is one I have seen and it has never been, and will never be, clear to me that she was saying she saw Natalee back at the hotel after leaving the club.

And my reasoning stands: just tonight, with Greta, Beth made a slam-dunk, unequivocal statement that she knows, she absolutely knows, that Natalee never made it back to the hotel. This was in response to Greta asking for details such as, had her bed been slept in, etc. (As for Frances, she would have been shouting this from the rooftops, and be the most sought-after interview in the world, if she could state that she saw Natalee back at the hotel.)

For all of these reasons, plus the lack of clarity in the transcript, I have no doubt in my own mind that Frances did not see her later at the hotel, and that that is not what she was intending to say in the interview.

Greta questioned her and another friend for a whole segment way back when, and there was not one word of it from the girls...not even a slight hint.

3,281 posted on 06/27/2005 8:25:05 PM PDT by txrangerette

To: maggiefluffs

Some history...

Digicel raised the bar where acceptable levels of network coverage were concerned. By installing some 15 cellular towers throughout the Island, Digicel offers 90% population coverage thus firmly establishing itself as the Number One GSM mobile provider in Aruba.

A lot more here...
http://www.digicelaruba.com/about/

It is good to know they have about 15 towers. I expected to be less than 5 - So 15 towers is quite a bit for a small island, they will know which of the 15 towers picked up the calls, whichever towers did will be close to where he was.

3,282 posted on 06/27/2005 8:26:38 PM PDT by stlnative (please do feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

To: RememberTheAlamo; maggiefluffs

From SM:

Saturday... family, acquaintances, and friends accompanied Rene Michel van Heynigen to his last place of rest.

A woman who made it known that she is the companion of Rene, Yesenia Castillo, born in Dominican Republic on Feb 18, 1976 was the one who found him dead that morning and called 911 (ok it s not a literal translation)..the police arrest her and till now she is still in custody, and she did not attend the funeral...hightlight or the unusual, the victim was so brutally attack with a machete that his head was virtually lopped off. Police is still compiling the case and info call the San Nicolas Police...

3,283 posted on 06/27/2005 8:27:32 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

To: No Surrender No Retreat

Yep.

Hopefully, the "Texas Guys" will find something. Then it's back on the radar screen.

3,284 posted on 06/27/2005 8:31:47 PM PDT by presently no screen name

I am going to call Thad Cochran's office tomorrow and for what good it will do I guess I'll have to place a call to Ole Slick's (Trent Lott) office also.

3,285 posted on 06/27/2005 8:33:07 PM PDT by Malichi

I wonder what Sean and Geraldo were talking about while saying J was text messaging the brothers and was nowhere near the HI? Does Geraldo have the records?

3,286 posted on 06/27/2005 8:33:33 PM PDT by Jrabbit

TexKat,

I did some google searches on Arlene Ellis-Schipper. In Dutch, Schipper is pronounced "Shkipper". I'm so depressed . . . Apparently, she's a lesbian. Here's a couple of sites: nieuws, lesbische vrouwen = "news, lesbian women". The Dutch are much more libertarian about these matters.

www.la-vita.nl/Nieuws/Dossiers/ Dossier%202004%20homohuwelijk%20wereldwijd.htm

www.arubastation.com/Article4941.phtml

Translator site: http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html

3,287 posted on 06/27/2005 8:41:47 PM PDT by '61 Libertarian

I have no idea, but the Kalpoe brothers Lawyer probably has learned something from LE and he is probably the one that passed it on the Geraldo. But the Kalpoe lawyer may put out false info.

3,288 posted on 06/27/2005 8:45:21 PM PDT by stlnative (please do feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

nothing about 'him'? What he did for a living, etc.

3,289 posted on 06/27/2005 8:46:48 PM PDT by presently no screen name

Given the way this investigation is going I w/n be surprised to see the remaining three out of prison next week.

That said JVDS is supposed to enroll as a student in a FL college in the fall--St.Leo's???? What is to stop the US government from denying him a student visa? After all he was implicated in the disappearance of a US citizen and his character is questionable.

3,290 posted on 06/27/2005 8:47:36 PM PDT by Tarheel ( Carolina on my mind)

To: '61 Libertarian

Oh I'm so sorry!! Lol.

3,291 posted on 06/27/2005 8:50:26 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

Who would hang with him in FL?

3,292 posted on 06/27/2005 8:51:30 PM PDT by presently no screen name

Actually, I may have mispoken. She was representing a lesbian couple. I've translated more of those articles. So . . . there's still hope. LOL

3,293 posted on 06/27/2005 8:53:15 PM PDT by '61 Libertarian

To: Jrabbit; maggiefluffs

It looks like the cell system in Aruba is well advanced (it is actually better than what I have here in Southern IL)

There are 2 providers but Digicel is the biggest and the more advanced. Digicel has at least 15 towers on the island which covers 90% of the island and then some (even for some distance out in the water) - The company may have their own towers or they may share towers with Digicel. So between both companies there may be more than 15 towers on the island.

LE no doubt will be able to pin point which towers picked up Jorans calls and Text messages - The text message will be easy to retrieve from the cell company.

I am still trying to find a cell tower location map. Hopefully I will run across one during my hunt.

Joran could send a text message from his phone to Deepaks email account if he had the best Digicel service package.

3,294 posted on 06/27/2005 8:55:50 PM PDT by stlnative (please do feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

To: presently no screen name

There would be too many people volunteering for that job. "Hey Urine, my two friends, Krishna, Shiva and I would like to take you for a ride around town. Perhaps, we can even visit the lighthouse . . ."

3,295 posted on 06/27/2005 8:56:46 PM PDT by '61 Libertarian

From SM:

Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:23 pm

Post subject: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

arubagirl wrote:

Anna, the brothers Kalpoe were washing their car at 2 / 3am. I know that y'all have your own system, but in ours, we have to have evidence before we arrest two people for washing a car. This little thing we have, please forgive us.

And let me tell you that I'm getting BEYOND tired of having to explain ourselves over and over and over and over again to people who have not been here for more than a month at the most.

Anna, seriously, if an Aruban girl went missing in the States, would it be allright with you if the Aruban police stepped in? That'd be just peachy, right? The families plan to sue your prosecution's office, that's logical too, right?

3,296 posted on 06/27/2005 8:58:45 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

To: '61 Libertarian

Exactly. Don't think he would feel safe in America.

3,297 posted on 06/27/2005 9:00:39 PM PDT by presently no screen name

To: Andy'smom; sarasota; cyborg; kcvl; brigette; maggiefluffs; No Surrender No Retreat; ...

From SM:

kkial wrote:

Channel 13 in Birmingham just interviewed one of the students,,was reading and missed their timeline,,for Natalee,but should be on their web site tomorrow,,

The young guy was very emphatic,,had some video,,even with Joran on it,,that he had been around all week,,they thought he was a tourist ,,,like them,,,and that Natalee did not hang out with him exclusively at CnCs..danced with her group,,,,but all of the girls and guys were not suspicious of him at all...

I saw pictures,,and did see Joran on the video...He was around much more that Sunday,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

3,298 posted on 06/27/2005 9:02:14 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)

If he was nowhere near the HI, I would love to know where he was! Maybe where he put Natalee......

3,299 posted on 06/27/2005 9:03:21 PM PDT by Jrabbit

To: Jrabbit; TexKat; maggiefluffs

Graphics and more info on this page...
http://www.ee.washington.edu/class/498/sp98/final/marsha/final.html

How Cell Phones Work

An Overview

It is common knowledge that Cellular Phones (referred to as "cell" phones from here on) are wireless phones; however, many are confused about how a cell phone actually works. Essentially, cell phones use high-frequency radio signals to communicate with "cell towers" located throughout the calling area. Cell phones communicate in the frequency range of 806-890 MHz and 1850-1990 MHz for the newly allocated "PCS" frequency range.

When the user wants to make a call, the cell phone sends a message to the tower, asking to be connected to a given telephone number. If the tower has sufficient resources to grant the request, a device called a "switch" patches the cell phone?s signal throughout to a channel on the "public switched telephone network" (otherwise known as the PSTN). This call now takes up a wireless channel as well as a PSTN channel that will be held open until the call is completed. The following figure illustrates this process.

This channel cannot be used for anyone else?s call until the cell phone call is discontinued.

Given this simple description of how cell phones work, we will add technical details about various facets of cell phone systems throughout the remainder of this section.

Cells

As the name implies, cell phone systems are made up of many small "cells." Each cell in a cell phone system represents the area served by one cell phone tower. The concept of cells is key behind the success of cell phones because by spacing many cells fairly close to each other, the cell phones may broadcast at very low power levels (typically 200mW ? 1W, depending on system). Since the cell phones may broadcast at low power levels, they use small transmitters and small batteries, and thus are able to fit in a shirt pocket, unlike amateur radios can occupy a tabletop.

Cells are typically spaced around 1-2 miles apart but can be spaced up to 20 miles apart in rural areas. In loaded areas or areas with many obstacles (such as tall buildings), the cell sites may be spaced closer together. Some technologies, like PCS, require closer cell spacing due to their higher frequency and lower power operation. Additionally, buildings interfere with cell signals coming from outside, so many buildings have their own "microcell." The Kingdome and New York subway are two examples of where microcells are used. Microcells may also be used to increase overall capacity within a heavily populated area such as a city?s core downtown area. In fact, homes may have "picocells" connected to the home?s PSTN connection to allow the cell phone to be used as a cordless phone. An example of typical microcell and picocell environments is pictured in the following figure.

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Switching

Overview

When a user places a call on a cell phone, the system must figure out how to route the call to the PSTN. Additionally, when someone calls the cell phone, the system must figure what cell the user is in. This section describes how this is done.

Finding the user

Whenever you turn your cell phone on, the phone sends its identification to the cell phone tower. This includes the "MIN" (mobile identification number, usually the phone number) and the "ESN" (electronic serial number). The cell tower forwards this information to a centrally located switch via special leased phone lines that connect a switch to many cell sites (T-1 lines are often used). When the switch gets this information, it forwards it to any higher level switches.

Connecting the call

Whenever a call comes in, it will come to the switch that serves the exchange (the exchange is the 555 in (206) 555-1212). This top-level switch will pass that call onto any lower level switches, if there is one, although there usually is not. When the call is passed to the lowest level switch, it checks to make sure the phone is still registered (it is turned on and in range). If it is registered, the phone is notified via the signaling channel and the phone begins ringing. When the user chooses to accept the call, the switch establishes the voice channel and the call begins.

Roaming

Roaming was one of the most challenging issues the cell phone industry faced. The goal was simple: a phone could be used anywhere in the US or the world where compatible technology is used. The difficult part is getting various systems to communicate and pass routing and billing information to each other.

When a user turns his or her cell phone on in a roaming area, the cell phone identifies itself to the switch. When the switch looks up the information and discovers it is not a local phone, it will attempt to find the "home" switch based on the exchange. When it locates the home switch, it will determine if roaming is possible. If roaming is possible, the switch (referred to here as the "roaming switch") sets up a "Visitor Location Register" (VLR) registering the phone in the locality. The home switch will also be notified about the change so that it can route calls to the switch in the roaming location. Outbound calls are handled through the roaming switch as they would be handled if the user were at home. Incoming calls are routed from the home switch to the roaming switch after sending a message to the roaming switch requesting a "temporary local directory number" (TLDN). This TLDN will be used to make a connection from the home switch to the roaming switch across the PSTN. Finally, whenever the roaming phone is turned off, the phone is unregistered with the roaming switch and the home switch is notified. The process of registering the phone and notifying the home switch takes 2 seconds.

Wireless Data

Overview

In modern times, we depend on e-mail and on the World Wide Web. We have access to these resources at home and at the offices, and we would like to use these resources while traveling. This is the goal that "wireless data" hopes to accomplish. In the following section, we will discuss various types of wireless data systems that run on top of cellular networks. Systems that run on other systems, such as ricochet, which runs on the pager network, will not be discussed.

3,300 posted on 06/27/2005 9:15:48 PM PDT by stlnative (please do feed the THREAD trolls by responding to the thread troll's post)

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