Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

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Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

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I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

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Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

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This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

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[TexKat]

Yes, I am a gull! (But you can just call me a "gossipy woman" if you want to; somebody did just today!

Yes, I saw that. I don't know why we all just can't get along. :)

[stlnative]

I keep hearing that they expect Satish to be released. We will know tomorrow morning if he is released. Remember the judge missed his plane and that the hearing will be in the morning.

[stlnative]

I think it would be a wise move to release all of them except for Joran and his Daddy. That way let those 2 think that they are both going down for Natalee's kidnapping, death, etc. (Put the other men on house arrest)

[TexKat]

Joran called Deepak up at 2:30 a.m. for Deepak to pick him up.

Then Joran then text message Deepak not to pick him up about 30 minutes later.

So since there is knowledge about these communications, do they have any other communication from Joran to anyone else to pick him up or was it already planned for someone to pick him and perhaps Natalie up and in the meantime set up the Kalpoes for the missing Natalee or only as an alibi. Is this where the premeditation comes in.

Was there another phone call from Joran to someone after 2:30 a.m. 5/30/05.

[Dolphy]

How clever might Joran be? Maybe he was calling/text messaging to leave the impression he was somewhere he wasn't. Would he call his father at the hour for his second ride home of the night, after supposedly sneaking out?

[TexKat]

From SM:

Re: Beth Twitty

writenow wrote:

absolut wrote:

Is it true on top of it that Beth was in Arkansas and had to drive home first?

I think that's what the "People" article says. She tried to get a police escort and couldn't, so she was doing 110 mph and got pulled over, told them what had happened and then I think she got an escort.

I wonder why they didn't fly over to Arkansas and pick her up on their way to Aruba??? Seems like Arkansas would be a pretty long drive to Birmingham. Over 5 hours, I'm sure. Maybe more like 8-10 hours. What part of Arkansas did she drive from

[Malichi]

Pine Bluff

[TexKat]

Okay did Joran get his cell phone when he went home after his father picked him up around 11:00 p.m..

The reason I ask is that Greta reported Joran phoning his father to be picked up from McDonalds at 11:p.m.

Did Joran use a payphone at this time?

Is the cellphone Joran used at the beach his own or someone elses?

[Howlin]

Dunne wrote his "fictional" novel years ago:


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0345430557/qid=1119763505/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/104-8664251-6773559?v=glance&s=books&n=507846


1994; while he was writing it, somebody gave HIM the secret report that Michael Skakel's father had had commissioned, supposedly to prove his sons innocent; when it didn't, Rushton Skakel buried the report -- but somebody sent it to Dunne.

Years later, he gave it to Furhman to investigate; Mark's "discoveries" were in that report. Dunne does give him the credit for doing the leg work......but Mark could have never done it without Dunne's "report."

[Howlin]

Tell me what Beth just said about being positive Paulus is involved, please.

[Howlin]

That was when Paulus went to pick up Joran at 11 p.m., coming home from the casino; supposedly.

When did he use a cellphone?

[stlnative]

Then Joran then text message Deepak not to pick him up about 30 minutes later.

I am being anal - Geraldo said about 45 minutes from 2:30am

At Large w/Geraldo Show - air date Saturday 6/25/05 - 9pm central time

Part of what Geraldo said on his show tonight (typed in word for word from playing it back on my Tivo system - play -pause - type - play - pause - type.)

David Kock (sp?) an attorney for Satish Kalpoe knows for a fact that telephone records prove that Joran and the Kalpoe boys separated that night, as the Dutch kid presumably took Natalee to the beach for his make out session. According to Kock those phone records also show that Joran later called the older brother (Deepak) at about 2:30am May 30th. The lawyers says the Kalpoe boys had dropped Joran and Natalee at the beach near this hotel, the Marriott and that... that call was a request for Deepak to return to the beach to pick up Joran and maybe Natalee up, about 45 minutes later (3:15am?) according to the attorney Joran text messaged Deepak not to bother picking him up, not to bother picking Joran up, that Joran had found another way home. So now the question is did Joran's father pick him up that night is he the one that Joran got the ride from the beach and back home. Did the Dad ask his son what was going on, did his son at that time or later on confess wholly are partially to a crime? ---- commercial break ---- then off to talk to the Twitty's

[fatima]

So what is Mark's scorecard now after this-do you know..

[Howlin]

Has he been involved in any other cases besides that one? (I do NOT count O.J..........LOL)

[GarySpFc]

To my knowledge, none of Natalee's friends or classmates have verified they witnessed Natalee yelling out the window or Deepak stopping to supposedly ask Natalee if she wanted out of the car. Personally, I think that's part of their memorized cover-up. Otherwise, we should have all heard from the kids who witnessed the drive-off. This is one of those little rehearsed details they used to convince everyone that Natalee WANTED to go with them.

I distinctly remember early on one of the classmates quoting Natalee as yelling, "Aruba, Aruba, WooHoo."

[fatima]

Mark has good insight and I think I like him.

[Howlin]

Oh, I like him just fine. And I think he got hosed in O.J.

[hummingbird]

Oh...I thought she said she had seen Satish in jail but not Deepak. Never mind.

I can't remember for sure either but I thought she could not visit either of them since they were both of legal age; Anita could visit Joran because he is still a minor. I think that is what I heard.

[Malichi]

bookmark

[hummingbird]

Fox News reported that PvdS had contacted Croes looking for a job.

I think that "Croes" is someone who works for the government and is not related to the DJ "Croes." In Aruba, it has been said, "Croes" is like "Smith" in the US. I think that is what I heard, or read on this thread.