Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 3

Link to previous thread ^ | 6/23/05 | freepers

[stlnative]

Previous FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Posted on 06/20/2005 12:14:36 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1426433/posts

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts

Another Twist in Holloway Disappearance
Posted on 06/14/2005 11:24:41 AM CDT by PBRSTREETGANG
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1422593/posts

Ala. Teen's Mom: Men 'Know What Happened' (Natalee Holloway)
Posted on 06/13/2005 4:01:55 AM CDT by bd476
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1421756/posts

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts

Holloway Not Only American Missing In Aruba
Posted on 06/08/2005 1:25:36 AM CDT by MassRepublicanFlyersFan
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418606/posts

Natalee Holloway (Aruba) 5 Men Now in Custody
Posted on 06/07/2005 3:35:36 PM CDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1418322/posts

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Hotel Pictures - 
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (Map)

Aruba Marriott Resort & Stellaris Casino - #1 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #101
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaar/phototour/auaar_phototour22.jpg?Log=1

Marriott's Aruba Ocean Club - #2 on Map
LG Smith Boulevard #99
http://marriott.com/propertyimages/a/auaao/phototour/auaao_phototour01.jpg?Log=1

Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort - #3 on Map (both buildings are the Holiday Inn)
http://phototour.ichotelsgroup.com/hotelimages/AUAAN/WELCM_EXTR_02_D.jpg

Playa Linda Beach Resort - #4 on Map
http://www.playalinda.com/enghome.html

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums/News Feeds
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://joranvandersloot.blogspot.com (Blog)
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005 (Blog - English Version)
http://www.i66.com/ (Natalee Holloway News Feed)

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

---

Show/Interview TranscriptsTranscript: Van der Sloots Speak Out - On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak Out
Thursday, June 23, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 22, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

Transcript: Natalee's Friends  Go On the Record with Greta- Fox News
Transcript: Natalee's Friends Go 'On the Record'
Wednesday, June 22, 2005
This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 21, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

---

Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

---

PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD
LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

---

I DO NOT HAVE A PING LIST AND I DO NOT WISH TO MAKE ONE

---

Just a reminder that...
THIS IS A NO LARGE
PICTURE POSTING THREAD
(please do not post large pictures on the thread - small pictures are fine as well a links to the pictures)

---

This is a discussion thread about the daily occurrences in the Natalee Holloway Case.
It is located in "Chat" on Free Republic
It is not a thread for bashing Natalee - Natalee's Family or Natalee's Friends.
It also is not an ongoing discussion thread for any other cases.

---

[sarasota]

That's what I like about Joe as well. He's a voice of sanity in an insane world.

[bonfire]

This was all news to me last night when Greta reported it. I'm behind! I didn't know Daddy was at casino, etc. etc.

Guess Daddy and son had similar "hobbies" so they could share "quality" time!

[bonfire]

Leaving for the weekend.....no tv or puter. Later all.

[Peach]

I think it's astounding that the father met her at the casino and didn't think it was worth mentioning in his interview. Did he even tell Natalee's parents that he'd met her?

Innocent people, in this situation, don't lie without cause.

[kassie]

Interesting, I had not heard this.

[maggief]

I haven't read this story before. Anyone?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1430112/replies?c=13

I think they are saying the fathers involved in some way in the cover up. I read somewhere that the authorities down there checked the dads banking records and found he went to the ATM the night the girl disappeared 3 times at 300 am. and 3.45 am in the morning. Seems strange to need cash that late,but then again it's a party town. But I thought the mom said her husband was sound asleep? Who knows?

[demkicker]

Other than CNN, it was magnificient! We went to Tamerindo (Pacific side) and stayed in a fantastic house, Casa de Valor It was worth saving up for that trip and staying there... Kind of like a 'lifestyles of the r & f ' type of place. The only bummer is coming back to the real world (just kidding).

Our family wants to go back to Costa Rica, but we'll try the Caribbean side next time;)

[demkicker]

Leaving for the weekend.....no tv or puter. Later all.

You poor thing! Hopefully you'll have access to a decent newspaper! Oh, wait, I forgot there aren't hardly any decent newspapers.... Sorry!

[Peach]

Hi, kassie. It's also worth noting that presumably the father took money out of the ATM three times between 3 and 3:45 a.m. the night Natalee was last seen alive.

He claims he was home sleeping and I can only think he was taking money out at that hour to hire the DJ charter boat guy to help dump Natalee's body.

The father also said he didn't remember if he woke his son up in the morning for school and couldn't remember if he went to work that day. As an attorney, he knows not to place himself at one location when a witness could pop up and place him at another.

[demkicker]

Innocent people, in this situation, don't lie without cause.

I'm wondering how Greta found this information out! His ATM transactions are most interesting....

[demkicker]

I think they are saying the fathers involved in some way in the cover up. I read somewhere that the authorities down there checked the dads banking records and found he went to the ATM the night the girl disappeared 3 times at 300 am. and 3.45 am in the morning. Seems strange to need cash that late,but then again it's a party town. But I thought the mom said her husband was sound asleep? Who knows?

To be fair, I suppose it could be that Joran had his dad's bank card and made the withdrawals. Either way, one or both of them has some 'splainin to do!

[kassie]

This gets stranger and stranger.

[Peach]

I would hope the bank has video of just who visited the ATM.

[maggief]

Could be, but didn't JvdS win $360 gambling that night?

[MinuteGal]

I doubt seriously that the father went to the ATM twice at 3-ish in the AM just because he lives in a party town. Perhaps if he was in a casino, he may have cause to go to an ATM in the lobby, but I see no indication he was in a casino or partying anywhere.

His withdrawals at the time stated are very mysterious, slightly sinister, and frankly, stick out like sore thumbs.

It could have been pay-off money for rent on a boat and the boat's operator.

Or perhaps he intuited what was coming down on him within hours.....and he wanted to leave cash in the house for the immediate needs of his wife and family if he wasn't around, plus a minor amount of carryin' cash for himself if he needed it.

Then too, he may have withdrawn every last euro to leave with his wife for safe-keeping or to be sent to Holland.

In short, it's my belief he probably knew he wouldn't be getting to his bank at any time soon, if ever.......

Leni

[texasbluebell]

yeah, I have to go back to view the irony of the quote that the Aruban officials (loosely quoted) "we can't go in like cowvboys" used a few days ago...when the essence of their justice system is to do just that, they held 2 completely innocent minorities on the basis of finger pointing.They held and sullied the name of 2 innocent persons (and their families) without the benefit of a lawyer and the higher threshold of evidence that is demanded in the American system.

Bump!

[maggief]

There seems to have been a lot of activity at 3:00am:

Beth believes Natalee was at the vdS home

Father at ATM machine

Rumor-Father at McD's

Anything else?

[texasbluebell]

greta... Natalie meet (saw) both PVDS and JVDS at the casino that Sunday.

What!? I missed that.

[texasbluebell]

Seems strange to need cash that late,but then again it's a party town. But I thought the mom said her husband was sound asleep? Who knows?

Mom had no idea, since Mom was in Holland. She's only going on what Pop told her.