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Should cities be ISPs?
CNet News.com ^ | 6/23/2005 | Declan McCullagh and Anne Broache

Posted on 06/23/2005 6:34:45 AM PDT by Mike Bates

WASHINGTON--When Philadelphia's city government decided to sell wireless access to downtown residents last year, a furious political fight in the state capital erupted.

Verizon stridently opposed the plan, liberal advocacy groups just as emphatically endorsed it, and politicians in Harrisburg ended up approving a compromise bill that effectively let the city of brotherly love do what it wanted.

Now this politechnical dispute is bubbling up from states to Washington, D.C., where lobbyists are pressuring Congress to resolve the question of whether governments or private companies do a better job as Internet service providers.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: competition; internet; municipalities; technology
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Yet another essential human service that only government can provide.

And there's still a question as to whether government or private enterprise does a better job? Aaargh!

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

1 posted on 06/23/2005 6:34:45 AM PDT by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates
NO!!

Privately-owned ISPs are bad enough!
2 posted on 06/23/2005 6:36:21 AM PDT by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: Mike Bates
Then there's this:

Orlando Pulls Plug On Free Internet Service

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Officials in Orlando are pulling the plug on free Internet service.

It turns out that certain downtown "hot spots" just weren't hot enough to justify the program's price tag.

Sunday marked the last day of a pilot program that allowed free Internet access near Lake Eola Park.

The pilot program was only supposed to last six months, but the city kept it going for 17 months.

As many as 200 people using laptop or hand-held computers at once could check e-mail or surf the Web in the wireless zones.

But city officials said that only about 27 people a day took advantage of the program -- not enough to justify the $1,800 the city paid every month for the service.

The service may come back, city officials said, if they can find a way to expand the service beyond a few downtown blocks, and if they can find a company to foot the expense.


 

3 posted on 06/23/2005 6:38:26 AM PDT by MNnice
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If the gov't runs ISPs then the Gov't can control its content. They are already trying to force private companies to keep records of "sites visited" to "protect us". I don't need Big Bird looking at where I get my news in order to "protect me".


4 posted on 06/23/2005 6:39:48 AM PDT by rhombus
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Orlando Pulls Plug On Free Internet Service

Shouldn't that lead read, "Orlando Pulls Plug On 'Free' Internet Service"?

5 posted on 06/23/2005 6:40:42 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

No.


6 posted on 06/23/2005 6:42:12 AM PDT by Petronski (Be alert! The world needs more lerts.)
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To: rhombus

In some quarters, protecting us from ourselves is the principal function of government.


7 posted on 06/23/2005 6:42:14 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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Should cities be ISPs?

Sure! I'll contact people and make sure the one I live in gets in on this right away. ;-)

They can't even keep the power running all day yet....

8 posted on 06/23/2005 6:43:01 AM PDT by Allegra (But It's A Dry Heat...)
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To: Mike Bates
Philadelphia plans to blanket a 135-square-mile area with low-cost wireless access by next summer. Neff said the estimated $10 million project could ultimately save the city's government up to $2 million in telecommunications bills, which it could in theory reroute to other social programs. Municipal governments need to do this because "we want to ensure our families and children have the abilities they need to compete in the 21st century."

I don't see a problem if a city wants to run an ISP as a utility service as long as they don't mandate that they are to be the exclusive (monopoly) provider of ISP services for the area. (And even trying to enforce such a monopoly would be a silly thing since it would be just about impossible...)

9 posted on 06/23/2005 6:43:19 AM PDT by snowsislander
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Government run ISPs will look like this:

Stand in line for 4 hours to be issued an ID card that will allow you access to the Internet. Don't complain about the wait, don't you know there is a 3-day wait in Singapore?

Trouble connecting? We have a 1-800 number you can call to resolve all issues. Your expected hold time is less than 2 business days. Issues will be resolved by an outsourced company who submitted the lowest bid.

You got married and want to change your user name? We have the form for that right here... Just fill this out, get it notarized by at least 3 people (family members are not permitted) and submit it with a copy of your driver's license and social security card. Please allow 12-16 weeks for processing.


10 posted on 06/23/2005 6:44:01 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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Verizon stridently opposed the plan

Verizon has invested a lot of money in their nationwide broadband wireless plan that lets you have unlimited wireless access in about 70 cities and includes wireless 50k speeds everywhere else on the verizon network. It costs 80 dollars per month plus taxes which probably help fund these "free" wireless hot spots from the govt.

Free wireless from the govt. sounds good, but how "free" is it ?

11 posted on 06/23/2005 6:45:02 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: rhombus

Is this run by the Department of Virtue and Vice(or somesuch)?


12 posted on 06/23/2005 6:45:17 AM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: Mike Bates

I say no. I can see it now. "Your start page has been permanantly set to the 'City of xxxx' propaganda homepage so we may better assist you in your needs for government service and track your internet use to better serve you."


13 posted on 06/23/2005 6:46:16 AM PDT by Horatio Gates (Peas through superior fertilizer!)
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To: LIConFem
One of the biggest problems is that cities see wi-fi as a utility, which means, of course, that they would then sign a contract with one provider to "control" pricing.

The problem with this is that it creates a monopoly (like all utilities). This is the primary reason why governments, especially city governments, should never be allowed to enter the marketplace ... they don't understand how free markets work and believe that THEY can control the price by limiting it to one provider.

In addition to prices regularly rising (the utility's costs always increase, absent competition) it also inevitably turns into the equivalent of the DMV in terms of customer service.
 

14 posted on 06/23/2005 6:50:57 AM PDT by MNnice
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I live in Pa. This all started with some small towns deciding to provide wireless wideband for the citizens because Verizon WOULD NOT DO IT; NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN IT; DON'T YA KNOW. But if Verizon wouldn't do it; Verizon WOULD NOT LET ANYBODY ELSE DO IT;DON'T YA KNOW. Verizon said; "Well we may do it someday whenever we feel like it."
so you serfs just shut up an take it.

The governor and the legislative bodies made a deal with Verizon that let Philadelphia start its own "community" wireless but the no other community in the rest of the state is allowed to do so.

Now go and repeat your mantra "Private Business is great no matter what they do" ,"Private Business is great no matter what they do" ... @ssholes.
15 posted on 06/23/2005 7:01:02 AM PDT by RATkiller (I'm not communist, socialist, Democrat nor Republican so don't call me names)
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Absolutely not. Have you looked at the 'fees' on your city owned utility bill lately? The same thing will happen if municipalities get a hold of the internet.


16 posted on 06/23/2005 7:03:24 AM PDT by Banjoguy (Don't be brain dead.)
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But if Verizon wouldn't do it; Verizon WOULD NOT LET ANYBODY ELSE DO IT;DON'T YA KNOW.

And what gave Verizon the authority to deny anybody else from doing it?

17 posted on 06/23/2005 7:03:34 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: MNnice
The problem with this is that it creates a monopoly (like all utilities). This is the primary reason why governments, especially city governments, should never be allowed to enter the marketplace ... they don't understand how free markets work and believe that THEY can control the price by limiting it to one provider.

Michigan's utility deregulation plan is so pathetic that the little utilities are branching out into satellite ISP! Wildblue is going online July 1st, only costs $49.99 a month (the cheapest package with a download speed of 512kps), gives you 5 email names with 10MB per name, and is supposed to be a LOT more reliable than DirectWay! I'm hoping to get this when our house is complete next month. I'm also planning on no land line phone -- FREEDOM!

Competition is a VERY good thing. Bye Bye, AOHell!

18 posted on 06/23/2005 7:08:04 AM PDT by Kieri
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To: rhombus
Worth repeating:

If the gov't runs ISPs then the Gov't can control its content. They are already trying to force private companies to keep records of "sites visited" to "protect us". I don't need Big Bird looking at where I get my news in order to "protect me".

China anyone???

19 posted on 06/23/2005 7:12:14 AM PDT by null and void (2¢)
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To: RATkiller

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!


20 posted on 06/23/2005 7:15:25 AM PDT by null and void (2¢)
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