Posted on 06/22/2005 8:37:43 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection
The state's judges will be asked this week to decide whether witnesses in North Carolina courtrooms can be sworn in on a Quran rather than a Bible.
The move comes after Guilford County judges rejected an offer last week by the Greensboro Islamic center to donate copies of the Quran, the Muslim holy book.
The Administrative Office of the Courts will ask the opinion of the state's judges when they meet this week at judicial conferences in Asheville and Wrightsville Beach, said Dick Ellis, a spokesman for the office.
"We'll take the input of the judges and bring it together and try to come up with an answer that pleases most people and follows the law," he said.
That move came after the office got queries on the issue last week.
In a preliminary opinion issued last week, a lawyer for the Administrative Office of the Courts said that state law allows people to be sworn in using a Quran rather than a Bible, Ellis said. But Guilford County judges told officials with the Islamic center Friday that they would not allow that in their courtrooms.
"An oath on the Quran is not a lawful oath under our law," W. Douglas Albright, Guilford's Senior Resident Superior Court judge, said earlier in the week.
That decision disappointed Syidah Mateen, who tried to donate the copies of the Quran.
"This is a diverse world, and everybody does not worship or believe the same," she said.
Ellis said he is not aware of anyone ever being allowed to swear on anything other than the Bible in a North Carolina courtroom.
Anyone who objects to that may take an oath, which means that they raise their hand and affirm to tell the truth.
Have to think that one out!
look for the ACLU to support this, while working against Christians at every other turn.
I wonder if I could get sworn in on a copy of Dianetics..
This-Is-Interesting® PING!
This would be the same Koran that says that it is okay to lie to an infidel?
I was going to make that same point. It might not be just "ok" to lie - it might be morally necessary and correct to lie to infidels.
The bailiff has to wear gloves and hold it in both hands. /Sarcasm
I have a question.. When did the MSM all of a sudden take apart of this effort to spell the Koran as Quran ?
Very valid point.
Isn't it understood in Islam that lying to non-Muslim is perfectly OK? My point is that swearing on the Koran would be pointless. Swear on the Koran, swear on the Bible, they'll still lie if they feel like it -- so what's the point? Providing legal status to the Koran for this purpose doesn't get us anywhere at all, but it does diminish the special role the Bible plays in this country. Which is, I think, the whole point of this exercise.
Well, yes, but just keep repeating "all religions are equal, all religions are equal..." until your common sense goes away.
Might as well be sworn in on a roll of Scott Tissue.
Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)
I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn for ever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. (Koran 98:1-8)
A Muslim may not be killed if he kills a non-Muslim (Al Bukhari Vol 9:50)
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued. (Surat At-Taubah 9:29)
Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him.
Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)
(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat. (Koran 69:30-37)
Idolatry is more grievous than bloodshed... fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme" (Sura 2:91-93).
O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk." [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]
(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah; and these are the inmates of the fire; therein they shall abide. 3.116
Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth [Islam], until they are subdued.
Surat At-Taubah 9:29
[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. (Koran 2: 98)
Allah plots against unbelievers. (The Morning Star: 15)
Allah has cursed them (the Jews) on account of their unbelief; so little it is that they believe. (Koran 2:88)
There is disgraceful punishment for the unbelievers. (Koran 2:90)
Mohammed said, “The last hour will not come before the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them.” (Mishkat Al Masabih Sh.M. Ashraf pp.147, 721, 810-11, 1130)
[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan (Satan). Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.
[4:101] ...surely the unbelievers are your open enemy.
[4:102] ...surely Allah has prepared a disgraceful chastisement for the unbelievers.
[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
[48:29] Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah, and those with him are firm of heart against the unbelievers, compassionate among themselves
[4.92] Anyone who kills a believer intentionally will have his reward in hell, to remain there. God will be angry with him and curse him, and prepare awful torment for him. (Only applies to believers)
[9.73] O Prophet! strive hard [make war] against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.
Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, is reported as saying in the Hadith: "I have been ordered to fight the people until they profess that there is no god but God and that Mohammad is the messenger of God"
So will they let people get sworn in on copies of Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto and Turner Diaries and Alice in Wonderland, and Hustler magazine?
Don't forget The Kinsey Report...
Wonder when someone's gonna want to be sworn in on a copy of Playboy?
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