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American fans finally fed up with F1
Fox.com ^ | 20 Jun 05 | Ryan McGee

Posted on 06/20/2005 12:40:18 PM PDT by Arkie2

Thanks for playing, now get the hell out. This was the message sent loudly and clearly Sunday by the slightly less than 100,000 fans that had traveled from all over the most powerful country in the world to see what is supposed to be the greatest auto racing series on the planet.

Take your giant transport planes and your Kevlar-coated motorcoaches and your big fancy remote control cars and go drive them elsewhere.

Formula One racing has always been a hard sell in the United States, despite the fact that facilities elsewhere can't seem to build enough grandstands to contain all of their enthusiasts, from Europe to Malaysia to Bahrain. But in America, Formula One has always been limited to a fiercely followed cult sport, alongside cycling, triathlons, and cricket. It is soccer without the short pants and yellow cards.

However, the last half-decade had seen a stateside resurgence by the sport of Juan Manuel Fangio, Mario Andretti, and Jackie Stewart. Our most hallowed piece of racing real estate, the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, welcomed the likes of Ferrari and McLaren back into Gasoline Alley back in the summer of 2000. IMS President Tony George ripped up said holy ground, putting a new 13-turn road course in place, as well as a monstrous new garage complex at the edge of Gasoline Alley. For the first time since the glory days of Watkins Glen and Long Beach, the United States Grand Prix was back and had NASCAR and Indy Car fans studying up on the finer points of higher tech racing.

And so the royals of racing arrived ... and the complaining commenced. Turn 1 was too tight. Turns 12 and 13 were too fast. The newspapers weren't giving them enough ink. There was nowhere to eat.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.foxsports.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: eurotrash; f1; formula1; formulaone; grandprix; snobs; squatandpeetour
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1 posted on 06/20/2005 12:40:18 PM PDT by Arkie2
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To: Arkie2

If I want to watch left turns all day, I'll watch McCain doing the talk show circuit.


2 posted on 06/20/2005 12:43:15 PM PDT by Huck (Don't follow leaders)
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To: Arkie2

Drivers: "Hey, it wasn't our fault, it was these damn french tires!"


3 posted on 06/20/2005 12:44:11 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Arkie2

Modern Grand Prix cars make other forms of racing look like donkey carts they're so high tech and fast around corners.

I wish there were a good American driver or two competing in F1.


5 posted on 06/20/2005 12:46:19 PM PDT by garyhope ( com)
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To: Arkie2

The worlds best drivers and the biggest budgets in racing and the show isn't as good as a local dirt track saturday night show.

Sure, it's a hell of a spectacle, but watching 2 red cars, followed by 2 blue cars followed by 2 yellow cars isn't very exciting. In most race series, the excitement starts after the race starts. In F1, is not too thrilling after about 2 corners.


6 posted on 06/20/2005 12:49:02 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This is not your granddaddy's America)
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To: Arkie2

What's so much fun about watching people drive at high speeds in a circle? I can set up a lawn chair overlooking the Interstate to see that.....


7 posted on 06/20/2005 12:49:22 PM PDT by Bombardier (Scratch a Democrat, find a traitor. There are NO good Democrats. Period.)
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To: garyhope
Modern Grand Prix cars make other forms of racing look like donkey carts they're so high tech and fast around corners. I wish there were a good American driver or two competing in F1.

I'd like to see them go three-wide, 4 deep at 180mph. My guess is that they would puss out, just like they did last week because the turns were too fast for them.

8 posted on 06/20/2005 12:49:24 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Arkie2

Now if only America would turn it's back on NASCAR, then this country would be a better place.


9 posted on 06/20/2005 12:49:42 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: garyhope

We need more shifter-kart racing to get the drivers for F1. Ever drive one? It will rip your head off with the cornering g-force & acceleration.


10 posted on 06/20/2005 12:50:54 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This is not your granddaddy's America)
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To: SengirV

Why?


11 posted on 06/20/2005 12:51:34 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This is not your granddaddy's America)
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To: Arkie2
The only reason they did this here in the U.S. instead of anywhere else in the world is because Americans just don't give a cr*p about this sport. I wish they would have done this in Italy, France or Germany - The firemen would still be trying to put the fires out. I think its because of the team nature of the sport, watching a faster car with the number 2 driver blocking and then hitting the brakes so his more famous teammate can win is BS.
12 posted on 06/20/2005 12:52:40 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: Arkie2
Thanks for playing, now get the hell out. This was the message sent loudly and clearly Sunday by the slightly less than 100,000 fans that had traveled from all over the most powerful country in the world to see what is supposed to be the greatest auto racing series on the planet.

If that was the message, then why did they even show up? People left because there wasn't even a race, just six cars on a track. It's not much more complex than that.

As a sidenote: The one set of tire for the entire race rule sure seems pretty stupid, and the impounding rule as well (where you can't tweak the car between qualifying and race day). The biggest thrill of racing for me is watching the pit crews go at it.
13 posted on 06/20/2005 12:52:42 PM PDT by Quick1
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To: Baynative
"You know, I've got one of these wonderful ideas that women should be all dressed in white like all the other domestic appliances," Bernie Ecclestone (F-1 boss) referring to Danica Patrick's performance at Indy.

For a second I thought this was the "breast feeding snobs" thread.

14 posted on 06/20/2005 12:53:07 PM PDT by steve86
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To: garyhope

The cars are amazing technical achievements, but the racing usually isn't very good. Every F1 race I've seen on TV (admittedly, not much in the past few years), there is very little close racing. Usually, one car (whoever the dominant driver is that season) pulls away and it's a boat race, and the field ends up spread out with multiple seconds between cars and no lead changes. And the obligatory first-turn spinout-and-crash that always seems to happen gets really old after a while.

I like close racing--not wrecks, but close racing, tactical racing, watching people pick lines and set up opponents for passes, dicing in traffic, pit strategy. I don't think I've ever seen an F1 race with a close finish like so many NASCAR races. I know you can't go wheel-to-wheel in F1 or IRL like you can in NASCAR--although I swear some of the IRL guys try it--but still, F1 just comes off as boring.

I'll grant you one thing, though--I don't like seeing NASCAR cars running on road courses. They're too heavy, they look like they're wallowing around out there.

}:-)4


15 posted on 06/20/2005 12:55:00 PM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia--commemorating 140 years of Yankee occupation.)
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To: Arkie2

I thought I'd post this to see if F-1 fans would continue to claim it's the greatest motor sport on earth after the Indy debacle. Too bad they'll now have to travel to Europe to see it. I expect it's days in the US are finished.


16 posted on 06/20/2005 12:55:51 PM PDT by Arkie2 (No, I never voted for Bill Clinton. I don't plan on voting Republican again!)
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To: Arkie2

My boss was talking about this, and I still can't quite believe it. It was a big upraised index finger to the fans.

Still, while F1 is very a high dollar sport, I am kind of glad it died here. I like the bump and grind of an old dirt track.


17 posted on 06/20/2005 12:57:15 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Arkie2

If ya want to see some REAL racing, check out MotoGP when they come to Laguna Seca in a week. No whiners / pansies here folks....just incredibly talented young riders from all over the workd racing motorcycles with 220+ rear wheel horsepower and rock hard tires with a contact patch smaller than a pack of cigarettes. These bikes do 200+ mph and can break the rear tires loose coming out of corners at over 140 mph. They get up close and personal too... banging fairings and elbows at over 150 mph. Roll cages are for pussies.

Valentino Rossi is da BOMB!


18 posted on 06/20/2005 1:02:01 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Wouldn't it be great if Gates, or someone like him, just bought a great F1 team or two, poured money in for upgrades and new technology, did an American flag paint job on them and then blew the nonexistent doors off of the rest of the field. And did all of this while racing the European tour.
19 posted on 06/20/2005 1:02:11 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Proud Nam Vet)
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To: Huck

I'll have to remember that!

Now, I do like watching Nascar now and again - but for the most part it's "put the pedal to the floor and turn left for 400 miles."

Personally, my favorite are the Rallys - back country roads, and the weather doesn't matter.

I got hooked on racing at an early age - my next door neighbor in Colorado Springs used to race in the hill climb, and always took me along with his son to watch.


20 posted on 06/20/2005 1:02:34 PM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Nac Mac Feegle! The Wee Free Men! Nae king! Nae quin! Nae laird! We willna be fooled again!")
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