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Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2
Link to Previous Thread ^ | 6/20/05 | freepers

Posted on 06/19/2005 10:14:36 PM PDT by stlnative

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923


FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe


Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.


PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)


 


TOPICS: US: Alabama; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: aruba; corruption; croes; daterapedrug; deepak; ghb; holloway; joran; kidnapped; mafia; missing; natalee; nataleeholloway; satish; sloot; tourism; travel; vandersloot
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To: Lizarde

It's very possible that Joran was hungover at the time--or had had a few drinks. And I'd imagine he's not used to being confronted. As to leaving her "asleep on the beach", did he freak out because she may have passed out from drink/drug. Very sad to think a guy would leave a young woman on the beach "asleep". Very troubling, if true.


323 posted on 06/20/2005 2:56:11 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Countyline; Palladin; varina davis
hey Palladin and Varina....will you tell this poster just how long we discussed E. Smart practically behind closed doors here on FR for months and months when everybody else had given up?...remember that?

we're we cordial?.....hardly.....Lol....just got along to get along........lol

324 posted on 06/20/2005 2:56:35 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Otta B Sleepin; All

Maybe this will shed some light.

-------

From SM:

WOW THIS IS VERY HEAVY NEWS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Aruba
Aanhouding vierde verdachte verlengd
20 Jun, 2005, 17:04 (GMT -04:00)
3 weeks after the disapearance of the american pupil holloway there is still no trace of her . Meanwhile the minesterie of justice has 4 suspects behind bars and still tips are being checked and witness being heared. The 26 year old suspect Croes has been in front of the judge this morning en the have lengtend his detainment.

ORANJESTAD — Drie weken na de verdwijning van de Amerikaanse scholiere Natalee Holloway ontbreekt van het meisje nog elk spoor. Wel heeft het Openbaar Ministerie inmiddels vier verdachten achter de tralies en worden continu getuigen gehoord en tips nagetrokken. De 26-jarige dj Steve Gregory Croes werd vanmorgen voorgeleid voor de rechter-commissaris. Zijn aanhouding is verlengd.

Paul van der sloot the father of the 17 year old witness has been heared on saturday intensly. The three other suspects meanwhile are being transported to the prison KIA. The 19 year old Satish Kalpoe has been transfered to the KIA his older brother Deepak and Joran have been transfered later today.

Paul van der Sloot, de vader van de 17-jarige verdachte Joran van der Sloot, werd zaterdagavond langdurig als getuige verhoord. De drie andere jonge verdachten in de Holloway-zaak zijn inmiddels overgebracht naar het huis van bewaring (KIA). De 19-jarige Satish Kalpoe werd al vrijdagavond overgebracht naar het KIA. Zijn oudere broer Deepak en Joran van de Sloot zijn vandaag overgebracht.

It is known from the KIA that the suspects might communicate with each other . According to Papito Comenencia spokesman for the police thsi also will happen in the holloway case. Comenencia " Surely they are going to talk with each other in in the KIA and trouble might arise from that. According to mariane Croes justice spokeswoman the detainment in the kia should not have any troubles , the juvenile is going to a seperate wing for juvenils . and the other two will be seperated if nececary.


Van het KIA is bekend dat verdachten daar contact met elkaar kunnen hebben en zo hun verhaal op elkaar kunnen afstemmen. Volgens Papito Comenencia, woordvoerder van de politie, zal dit ook bij de Holloway-zaak gebeuren. Comenencia: “Ze gaan in KIA zeker met elkaar praten, daar krijgen we wel problemen mee.” Volgens Mariaine Croes, woordvoerder van het Openbaar Ministerie, hoeft de in bewaringstelling in KIA echter geen problemen op te leveren. Croes: “De minderjarige komt op de speciale afdeling voor minderjarigen, en ook de andere twee kunnen wel uit elkaar worden gehouden als dat moet.”

Freddy Mauduro the director of the KIA stated taht the three suspects will palced in the juvenile wing and being placed such that they can not communicate with each other

Freddie Maduro, directeur van het KIA, verklaarde desgevraagd dat alledrie de verdachten zullen worden opgesloten op de afdeling voor jeugdigen. Daarbij zullen ze zo worden geplaatst dat ze geen contact met elkaar kunnen hebben.

De 26-jarige Steve Croes werd vandaag voorgeleid aan de rechter-commissaris. Deze toetst of zijn aanhouding met acht dagen verlengd kan worden. Croes werd afgelopen vrijdag opgepakt bij zijn huis in Casariba, in Santa Cruz. Hij wordt verdacht van dezelfde zaken als de drie jongens: mede-pleging van moord, of mede-pleging van doodslag of opzettelijke vrijheidsberoving. Croes is dj bij feestboot de Tattoo.

The 26 year old croes has been in front of the judge today . And he will consider or his detainment will be lengtenth 8 days more. Croes was taken in from his house in Santa Cruz. He is being suspected of the same crimes commited by the other 3 suspects , complice in comitting murder, complice in attemteing murder or kidnapping , Croes is disc Jockey At teh Boat tatoo

Volgens Comenencia is Paul van der Sloot afgelopen weekeinde in totaal twee keer als getuige gehoord. Comenencia: “We horen de hele tijd getuigen, de hele tijd al. Dat iemand een getuige is betekent verder niet dat hij of zij ook verdacht wordt.”[/quote][/quote]


325 posted on 06/20/2005 2:56:40 PM PDT by maggief
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To: cherry
That's the truth, Cherry! Thought those Smart threads would never end. And, lest we forget, there was an awful lot swept under the rug during the long wait. Finding her was a wonderful outcome, but there are a lot of lingering questions IMHO.
326 posted on 06/20/2005 3:03:33 PM PDT by varina davis
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To: NCjim

Mark


327 posted on 06/20/2005 3:08:17 PM PDT by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: Lizarde

I believe she said they got there to Aruba, then called some of her friends back in the states and got the scoop on who she left with.


328 posted on 06/20/2005 3:09:47 PM PDT by johnb838 (In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Amen.)
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To: MAWG; soundandvision

We are trying to FIND NATALEE! Get with it or get lost.
______________________________________________________

How are we trying to find Natalee? After reading most of the posts, IMHO we are all just speculating.

I may disagree with SAV, but "get lost"???? That was a tad harsh.

sp


329 posted on 06/20/2005 3:10:26 PM PDT by sodpoodle (When is a NEWBIE not a NEWBIE?)
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To: Countyline
Let's live and let live. Chill.

Speaking for myself, I cringe when I see things that I know will upset the family members. I'm all for a wide-open discussion normally, but this is a little different. The majority of Natalee's family & friends are stateside and the Internet is the best way they can stay informed.

To my knowledge, there are about 3 or 4 main websites everyone seems to be visiting to keep up with Natalee: FreeRepublic, Scared Monkey, and Riehl World View. I know the other 2 sites are trying to be cognizant of the fact that NH's relatives and friends are using their site daily to keep up with things in Aruba. In fact, one of those sites even has them posting, if I'm not mistaken.

We can either be civil and follow the Golden Rule, knowing Natalee's family & friends are reading, or we can follow our usual format of "everything goes." That's the way I see it anyway.

330 posted on 06/20/2005 3:13:33 PM PDT by blub
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To: sodpoodle

I wouldnt underestimate the power of a freeper thread. As for my being a tad harsh, I would agree and my apologies. But, lots of us have been working on this thread for 19 plus days now and for someone to come along NOW and throw cold water on our efforts is most irritating. You have no idea what we may be doing away from the computer.


332 posted on 06/20/2005 3:19:08 PM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: Lizarde

This case is driving me nuts; do they think they can get away with this?


333 posted on 06/20/2005 3:19:21 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: blub; TexKat; All

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/

Aruba Round Up

Thanks to the reader who let me know about the fourth man, S G Croes being detained for the normal extension - 8 days I think at this point. If you didn't notice, this Sunday was the first day that some of the major networks started to move off this story as a standard daily report. There are two round ups I have, one Hasibokus was kind enough to translate after the reporter sent me along a copy in Dutch.

Also, Jeffry Scott of the Atlanta Journal Constitution is back in the states and files this report. There may be a short registration, I'm not certain.

ORANJESTAD, ARUBA — On Sunday, the family of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway searched the caves on the southwest corner of this island in Arikok National Park, while in downtown Oranjestad life was slower than usual.

If print media is backing off it means they not confident of a break, soon. But with this case you can never tell. I've conversations planned with at least 2 people on the island tonight and will be updating, possibly before then, but certainly after.

Below is a translation of the Dutch article by Maaike Ruepert, who I'm told is a dogged journalist, as well as an exceptional young lady in her own right. Pardon the translation, I didn't have time to smooth it out. And, thanks, again, to Hosibokus.

Last Saturday and Sunday, the judge, whose 17-year-old son is under
suspicion of murdering an American girl, has been questioned at he police station in central Aruba. On both days the police questioned Paulus van der S. for hours to find out what he knew about what may have happened precisely three weeks ago with the 18-year-old Natalee Holloway from Alabama.

Holloway befriended his son, Joran van der S. in the week before
her disappearance. Holloway that went for a five trip to Aruba with 124 other students to celebrate their graduation, has been seen last with Joran van der S. and two of his best friends, the brothers Satish and Deepak K. The threesome have been in temporary custody since june 9th , a week and a half after the disappearance of the American.

Television crews, photographers and reporters saw a tall man with blackframed glasses and the same bushy eyebrows as a Joran van der S. leaving the police station on Saturday evening around ten o'clock. It turned out to be the local judge-to-be Paulus van der S.

As soon as the cameraman of CNN turned on the lights, van der S. sprinted to his silver Mercedez that was parked further down the street Sir, sir, why are you running?'', asked a man that at that moment was leaving a bar on the other side of the street, in English. ,, Have you been arrested?'' Van der S. did not reply, he kept on walking as hard as he could towards his car.

Half a minute later, he drove off quickly in the Mercedez that he has been using since the two family cars had been confiscated by the police. Even though the family attorney Anthony Carlo stated that Paulus van der S. is not a suspect at the moment, in connection with the case of missing girl, the court of the Dutch Antilles and Aruba has suspended him. This according to a statement given by her wife Anita van der S. on Friday at their estate in Montaña. Anita van der
S. was pretty upset. She held two blue towels sturdily between her arms and bosom. The towels were for Joran, who was just about to hear that he and his friends Satish and Deepak would remain for al least 8 more days in custody. "My son was supposed to go this week to the United States to study", said Anita. Tears rolled down her cheeks.

Paulus van der S. accompanied Anita to the police station located at Noord where Joran was being detained. He was not allowed to accompany his wife inside to deliver the towels to their son. The judge that treated the case had just revoked the decision from a day earlier, ultimately prohibiting Paulus van der S. to visit his son. Van of the S. senior has not been allowed to visit his son since his arrest a week and a half ago.

In contrast with the others, the fourth suspect, Steve C., a 26-jarige dj on the party boat Tattoo, is not believed to be close friends with the group of Joran van der S. and the brothers K. According to his boss Marcus Wiggins, C knows Deepak K. from an internet cafe.

He says that C. was arrested on Friday after he had given a voluntarily testimony the day before. C. becomes - just as the other three - is suspected of murder, manslaughter or intentional containment with the dead as consequence.

C's family, who are also not allowed to visit him. Do not understand why he is being detained. "Steve would never murder anyone ", says Jeanet Gei who is his ex-girlfriend and mother of his son, the 3-year-old Steve junior.

He would easily start crying just after he'd stepped on a lizard'' Even
the attorneys of C. do not know what is going on. "We have not seen any documents yet'', said Berry Weijers, Saterdag. ,, We only know what our client told us yesterday'' What C. told him, he did not want to disclose. Head officer of justice Karin Janssen will decide today if the detention of C. will be prolonged with 8 days.


334 posted on 06/20/2005 3:21:27 PM PDT by maggief
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To: MAWG

Thank you, for the generous comment and your efforts.

sp


335 posted on 06/20/2005 3:22:53 PM PDT by sodpoodle (When is a NEWBIE not a NEWBIE?)
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To: Howlin

Sleeping on the beach now, is it?

Well, how many more stories can they all dream up?


337 posted on 06/20/2005 3:30:47 PM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: Palladin

I think you are out to lunch on the delay in reporting being an outgrowth of Wilbanks etc. The people say it is not unusal for this to happen. And it happens here. Once one is 18, you don't have to tell people if you go away overnight.

I think people miss planes, girls go spend the night with people and it has probably always happened.

And my you are harsh,,just my opinion.


338 posted on 06/20/2005 3:32:11 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: texasbluebell

Well, they could call Mark Geragos and he could give them some ones he may have left over from the Peterson trial. :-)


339 posted on 06/20/2005 3:32:13 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Countyline; soundandvision
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT THIS THREAD IS IN CHAT (aka The Smokey Backroom) ON FR?

It is a discussion/chat thread about the Natalee Holloway Case - It has nothing to do with HOW the MSM is covering the case. If you want breaking news on the Natalee Holloway Case read the news or watch TV. If you want to rag about the MSM then start your own thread about how the Media is covering this type of news. I am sure you will attract plenty of MSM critics on your thread.

JimRob does not have a problem with these types of threads. Your whining is not going to make these types of threads obsolete on FR. If you don't like them, slide on by and click on something that interests you more.
340 posted on 06/20/2005 3:33:13 PM PDT by stlnative (Where is Natalee?)
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