Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 2

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[stlnative]

FR Natalee Holloway Threads...

Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1

Aruba Info...

Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif

Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif

San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif

Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)

Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif

Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)

Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/

Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html

Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html

Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR

Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/

Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923

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FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe

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Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)

http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long

B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.

D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse -  the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.

D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.

G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located

D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives

F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.

C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.

E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.

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PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.

I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.

This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.

Examples

Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif

or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)

 

[Howlin]

I'm not interested in what the Arubans think of US, frankly.

She is a mother, searching for her child or answers to what happened to her child. People are not being forthcoming -- she has every right to go door to door in that country if she wants to.

I spent ONE DAY waiting to find out why my son died -- I can tell you it's hell on earth. I can't understand why she isn't mad as a hatter.

And, frankly, your criticism of her is out of line.

[Howlin]

LOL!

[varina davis]

Excellent post, citizenM. Thank you for putting it all into perspective in a very sensible and heartfelt manner.

[hummingbird]

There is a speaker in the upper right-hand corner?! I'll go look; can you give me advance warning - what does it do? Every time I "tweak," my computer screams.....

[Nita Nupress]

Do you use the little ringer? It drove me nuts.

A squawking computer drives me nuts, too. I never could get it to work. I sit on the mute button a lot though, so I didn't put a whole lot of effort into it.

[elli1]

PS I find it very interesting that no one else in this thread mentioned this incident, but just glossed right on over it.

So did I. You'd think there would have been some serious speculation about why she cancelled at the last minute. Maybe something to do with the additional arrests? But, really, I can't think of anything outside of finding Natalee or having a heart attack that could rationally explain the cancellation.

BTW--I don't watch television.

[cherry]

I didn't criticize her...only mentioned how she was coming off on the one show I saw her on today, greta.....

I don't know how she is able to keep going,doing what she is doing, but now is the time for her to back off just a bit, I think, in hopes of salvaging some good will from the Arubans...

the Arubans hold all the cards in this....its going to be their cops and their judge and their media that brings this thing to a close.....

[WVNan]

I have not followed this thread so I don't know if anyone has proposed this or not. I believe that Natalie is in Columbia. They haven't found a body and that island is not that big. It appears they have turned over every rock on the island. One of the guys arrested is connected with a boat. Boat=drugs=white slavery=Columbia. Just my SWAG.

[onyx]

Squawking computers are not nearly as annoying as a car that talks... "please secure your seat belt." I asked my childhood friend, "why did you buy this?" LOL.

[presently no screen name]

Thanks - that's the word I was looking for - AWE!

I'm trying to learn from her BUT I don't think I could measure up if I was in her shoes. I know me.

I'm sorry about your child - NOTHING is more devestating than that to a parent. And for others who haven't experienced it, we never know what tomorrow brings.

Mother's fight for their children when they are in harms way, in everyone's face, be demanding, determined, question, etc., She is doing her job that comes from the fire in her belly. May she NEVER care what others think, moreso, the Arubans. Sit back and watch? This is her life, not a soap opera.

[eleni121]

You cannot be for real.. . your comments about Natalee's mom are so over the edge...into the land of halucination!

You have no idea what it's like down there...This mom is one brave and heroic woman trying to find her child who has disappeared off the face of the earth...or at least get answers to what happened to her from the SOB snob punks that were with her last.

[Palladin]

eleni, I agree with you 100% about the Van der Sloots and their apparently successful public relations ploy in the interview with Greta.

They were carefully advised and coached, no doubt, by their attorneys to invite Greta back for an in-depth look.

What a set-up. Iced drinks for all at their dining room table. A convenient rng of the telephone calling Paulus away from the interview at a crucial moment. The tacky Christmas angel set up with Natalee's prayer card.

Greta said that Beth Holloway was advised by her attorneys NOT to return to the Van der Sloots with Greta. Wise advice.

Anita VDS turned on her crocodile tears and her "My boy is a good boy" speech, right on cue. The mope of a father was sweating bullets, I noticed, as Greta talked about the first night they had an encounter with the Holloway-Twittys.

That would be the night that Joran was in yet another casino--The Wyndham--on yet another school night, no doubt once again bombed out of his skull--as shown in that lovely picture of him passed out on the colorful comforter.

Remember that Anita Van der Sloot has a lot at stake here--her position in the wealthy ex-pat community; her job at ISA; her reputation as a "spiritual person and advisor" etc.

Well, she may have fooled a lot of people on this thread, but she didn't fool me with her cheap dramatics and her CYA by any and all means.

[maggief]

And, why are the Arubans upset? Perhaps LE thought they could neatly pin this on the two SG guards, where are they from again? The island crime rate is a sham, and now it risks exposure.

[pnz1]

Could she be hospitalized somewhere or under medical care if she'd had a reaction to a drug? But looks like someone would have come forward if that were the case.

[stlnative]

More from Greta's show...

The whole group is still at the Holiday Inn...

Joran father is still being obnoxious... Joran's father steps in and says "This is not america - you have no manners - you have no manners. The night manager tells Daddy VDS to stand outside. So he does and then Daddy VDS starts staring down Beth (Natalee's Mother - Jug's wife) who was sitting in a car outside. (Remember they are all at the Holiday Inn)

Jug said there was more talking after that. Only 2 of the 3 boys were there. (Joran was one but it does not say which one of the brothers were there - I am thinking Deepak) - Police reports were taken and Jug says that his group went up and to bed (I assume the police requested they do this)

Jug now says (after being asked by Greta) which brother was it. He thinks it was Deepak. Deepak was as bad as Joran's father telling Joran not to say anything - that he does not have to talk etc...

[Howlin]

I'm trying to learn from her, too. In fact, I was thinking about this just a while ago; they are remarkable people.

Anyone who has lost a child knows that it's hard just to get out of bed some days, so her fortitude is absolutely stunning to watch.

Perhaps some here would prefer that she take to her bed and completely fall apart. Go figure.

[Howlin]

but now is the time for her to back off just a bit, I think, in hopes of salvaging some good will from the Arubans...

Ridiculous. Absolutely.

And you did criticize her.

[pamlet]

Thanks for the well thought out post CitizenM.. :)

[pnz1]

How likely would it be that the brothers could have asked VDS father for help-not Joran? I thought Mr.Twitty said Joran wanted to help them, etc.

[Howlin]

It makes a little sound every time somebody replies to one of your posts or sends you Freepmail. :-)