Posted on 06/19/2005 10:14:36 PM PDT by stlnative
FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1
Natalee Holloway - Extended Thread 1
Posted on 06/16/2005 11:43:44 AM CDT by brigette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1424188/posts?q=1&&page=1#1
Aruba Info...
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/sannicolas2002.gif
Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Manchebo Beach Area Map
http://www.mapsworldwide.com/mwwlive/itm_img/3897075008sam.gif
Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
(there is no real ping list - I really do not have one and I do not plan to make one)
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;sarasota;TexKat;theophilusscribe
Some case info to go along with this map...
(as far as I know this is all correct)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
The Island is 6 to 7 miles deep by about 20 miles long
B-1 = California Lighthouse - where the boys claim they took her first after leaving the Bar.
D-3 = #4 is the location of the 2 Marriott Hotels - where the 2 brothers (and now Joran) claim they dropped Joran and Natalee off after leaving the lighthouse - the 2 brothers claim they went home to Hooiberg after that.
D-3 = #19 is the location of the Holiday Inn where Natalee was staying.
G-5 = Where the red #2 marker is pointing to is the area that the Carlos & Charlie Bar is located
D-4 = Township of Montana is where Joran lives
F-7/8 = Hooiberg (Haystack Mountain) - The 2 Kalpoe brothers live in this area at the foot of the Haystack Mountian.
C-9 = By the Natural Bridge on the map is the location where the sharks hang out as they are fed at this location. This is the Shark Infested Feeding Area.
E-3 = Wetland in the Bird Sanctuary is the location where they found the Condoms/Condom Wrappers - Duct Tape (looked like black electrical tape to me) - Female Flowered Panties - and a String or Strap from a Bikini or Halter Top.
PLEASE KEEP THIS THREAD LARGE PICTURE FREE FOR DIAL UP ISP USERS.
I am asking that everyone either post just a link to the pictures they wish to share or reduce the size of the picture when you use the img src tag.
This will help greatly for us who are on Dial-up.
Examples
Just a link to a picture like this...(this is the simplest method)
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif
or reduce this image size like this (you need to know HTML to do it this way)
If we go with your theory then where does Steve Croes fit in?
Obviously, if Natalee has had disappearance issues in the past, her family would likely keep them quiet since it would surely impede the investigation -- just as the Wilbanks family probably figured when they kept quiet about their daughter's past escapades.
Oddly, the longer the goes on, the more I'm inclined to think the outcome won't be as sensational as we might have thought in the beginning.
SCAREDMONKEYS:
Natalee Holloway Morning Update, May 20th, 2005
June 20th, 2005 by Scared Monkeys -->
Very little happened over night that was reported. Joran Van der Sloots father was questioned for two hours, and then sent home.
This is a refresher for those who do not know Dutch and Aruban law. Their system is much different than that in the United States. A prisoner is guilty until proven innocent. However, if the prosecution puts too much information out to the public over the case, the judge has the right to throw out the charges since the prosecution has been seen to unfairly treat the prisoner.
So as the prosecutors in the United States tend to release all of the information to the public that it can, the opposite is true in Aruba. Thus, many things positively may be happening in Aruba that we do not know about. If they were released to the public, the suspects could walk free. So their system requires a level of patience that Americans have been conditioned not to have.
Please keep this in mind as the case progresses.
Fox News
Aruban police on Sunday questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager, hoping the island justice official may know something to help solve the mystery of what happened to her, an official said.
Paul van der Sloot, a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.
Joran van der Sloot , 17, was one of the people last seen with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared. Three other men have been detained, but no one has been charged.
Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
“He was questioned as a witness, no more or no less,” van der Straaten told The Associated Press.
The attorney general’s spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, said witnesses are questioned when prosecutors believe they may be able to add something to the case.
CNN
Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said police questioned Judge Paul Van Der Sloot while his wife, Anita, visited their son, 17-year-old Joran, who is being held in connection with the case.
Van Der Straten dismissed as “completely false” media reports that police also had interrogated the judge’s wife.
Joran Van Der Sloot is one of three people last reported seen with Holloway before she disappeared in the early hours of May 30.
The judge also was questioned Saturday and remained in the police station for about five hours. Asked Saturday whether the father was being interviewed as a suspect or a witness, a source close to the investigation said “the latter.”
Also jailed in the case are brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, and a man identified by a family member as Steve Croes, a 26-year-old disc jockey for a popular party boat. He was arrested Friday. (Full story)
The commissioner said the suspects were being held in separate facilities in the capital to ensure they cannot communicate with one another.
The police commissioner said Saturday the arrest of Croes came after one of the three youths named him. The party boat he works aboard docks about 300 meters, or about 1,000 feet, from the Holiday Inn where Holloway was staying.
UPDATE: AP, Judge to Decide if Police Can Hold Fourth Man Arrested in Missing Teenager Case in Aruba
A fourth man arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager - a disc jockey on a party boat - is to appear in court Monday for a judge to decide whether police can continue to detain him, officials said.
The truly sad part is, because of the ineptness of the Aruba LE, we may never know. If your theory is true, Mr. VDS was banking on his "connections" to buy him enough time to get rid of the evidence. If this is how it went down, it looks like his gamble paid off.
Could be he is connected with that. Could be he fits in the same way the 2 Security guards did...not at all.
We should have been more alert to what the LE were doing taking bags full of evidence from Joran's apartment. I suspect they were exploring my theory WAY before I thought of it.
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Thank you for pointing out Dutch law. We can kick and scream all we want from the States, and it just won't make an impression on their legal system. Like it or not, it's theirs, not ours.
Joran knew it.
call me skeptical, but nothing about this case has gone the normal route, but I wouldn't be surprised if these questioning sessions of the father aren't a rouse and that the authorities are using them so he can meet with his son.
There is a lot of covering up, weird things going on here.
The parents used a jet provided by someone's companhy, maybe her father. They arrived at 10 PM that night and by 1 the mother had gone to C and C , talked with cabbies and told the cops Jordan was the last seen with her daughter. At that time the cops had "no leads" and were not in any hurry to get them.
THe police were not moving on this, the parents did whast any of us would do and got the cops in when they went to Jordan's house.
I don't get why anyone would be suspicious. they were told at 2 pm and were on the ground in Aruba at 10. And they called politicians in the US to get the FBI involved. I hope if this happened to my kid I would be so proactive.
A private corporate jet of a family or friend is not suspicious at all. Her first husband I do believe had the company that provided the jet.
By now, if this girl were a runaway someone would have said something. She can't have acted totally alone and be hiding out without food, money, clothes, etc. all by herself somewhere. (Wilbanks was in her own country, took some money, knew where she was going, etc.) I doubt Natalee would be able to be resourceful enough in a strange place. Also, if someone had helped her get away, they would have talked by now, because the pressure is just too great. No one would cover up for a girl who had only been on the island such a short time and was unknown to anyone except a few fellows. No one would put themselves in that kind of jeopardy.
Sorry, IMHO the Runaway theory just does not "compute," but there are so many others FReepers have come up with that are possibilities. Who knows?
I Don't know about that but I believe her natural father is an insurance agent for a major company...
Judge to rule whether p
olice can continue to hold man in missing teen case By Peter Prengaman The Associated Press
Originally published June 20, 2005, 10:00 AM EDT ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- A fourth man arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager -- a disc jockey on a party boat -- is to appear in court today for a judge to decide whether police can continue to detain him, officials said.
On Sunday, police questioned the father of a Dutch teenager held in the case, hoping the island justice official might know something to help solve the mystery of her disappearance three weeks ago today.
Paul van der Sloot, a judge-in-training on the island, was questioned for two hours Sunday afternoon after five hours of questioning Saturday night, said Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten.
Joran van der Sloot, 17, and two friends were among the last people reported to be with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared. All three and the disc jockey, arrested separately Friday, have been detained. No one has been charged.
Van der Straaten said the father was asked to come back Sunday because officials were not able to finish the interrogation on Saturday, but declined to give more details.
"He was questioned as a witness, no more or no less," van der Straaten told The Associated Press.
During Sunday's interrogation, van der Sloot's wife, Anita van der Sloot, met with Joran in jail, said van der Straaten.
But the father was not allowed to meet with the son, according to a ruling by the judge on Friday, the attorney general's office belatedly revealed to The Associated Press.
"Prosecutors felt that allowing the father to see his son could be harmful to the investigation," the attorney general's spokeswoman, Mariaine Croes, said today.
Judge Bob Wit had been deciding on a motion by the father to see his son, and a counter-motion by the prosecution to prevent that, she explained.
Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, disappeared in the early hours of May 30, the last day of a five-day vacation with 124 students celebrating their high school graduation. Her U.S. passport and packed bags were found in her room.
Joran van der Sloot and two friends said they took Holloway to a northern beach but dropped her off at her Holiday Inn, where they claim she was approached by a security guard.
On Saturday, a judge ordered Joran van der Sloot and his friends, brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, to stay in jail for at least another week while the investigation continues.
The fourth man was arrested Friday after giving police a statement, said Marcus Wiggins, his boss on the boat Tattoo. He identified the detained man as Steve Gregory Croes, 26, who is not related to Mariaine Croes.
It was not known how the disc jockey might be connected to the case. The boat Tattoo docks near the Holiday Inn where the missing girl was staying.
Under Dutch law, which Aruba follows as a Dutch protectorate, authorities can detain people for up to 116 days without charging them.
Investigators refuse to say whether they believe Holloway is dead. Her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has said she will continue to believe the teen is alive until she has proof to the contrary.
Holloway Twitty, 44, has insisted that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes hold the key to the investigation and that authorities pressure the young men harder to tell the truth.
In Alabama, a Holloway family friend said Holloway's relatives identified and located Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers less than a day after the teen vanished. But the three young men were not detained until 10 days later.
"It's just disappointing that they (authorities) weren't able to move faster," Jody Bearman, who organized the graduation trip, told AP.
They're probably including FBI agents and the rotating visits of Natalee's extended family members and friends in the tourism count.
From: http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/
Update: Someone is hosting a great many news videos of reports in the Holloway case. Presently, the next to last appears to be CNN reporting on Paulus v d Sloot's now infamous scoot away from reporters.
http://nataleeholloway.tripod.com/
I think you theory has some merit and daddy van der slut sure wasn't seeking a, "Fruit-Buzz" (M.D.'s) at 3:00 am the morning of Natalee's disappearance. NSNR
That is not my theory, I think that there is more to this than just Joran and Papa Joran.
OK..what is your theory?
http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050620/capt.aru10106201428.aruba_missing_teen_aru101.jpg?x=380&y=266&sig=wkKs69tFEFImFlsUhLcSJw--
Steve Gregory Croes, 26, left, is escorted into the court house in Oranjestad, Aruba, Monday, June 20, 2005, where a judge will decide whether police can continue to detain him in connection with the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway who vanished May 30 during her high school graduation trip to this Dutch Caribbean island. (AP Photo)
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