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(V) Is Hutchinson Insurance Against Hillary?
06-19-2005 | Tall_Texan

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:13:28 PM PDT by Tall_Texan

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To: David; MeekOneGOP

You would vote for the Hildabeast???

61 posted on 06/20/2005 3:39:18 PM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: TASMANIANRED
I agree it would be great for Dr Rice to run and win for Governor before running for president. But even without that, she is currently our strongest candidate. I expect she and Bush will continue to have many small wins in international policy. Over time it will be clear that the UN needs us; we do not need the self-appointed "global community". Only in the unlikely case that the Bush/Rice foreign policy is a disaster in the eyes of military veterans would she be a weak candidate.

Not being from TX, Hutchison has the image of a wishy washy person who stands for nothing but going along with other people's agendas. She does not project being a "leader".

Historically, governors, not senators, have been the best candidates. What GOP governor is going to emerge with a reputation, a following, an issue, an agenda? with something that will attract supporters and media?

62 posted on 06/20/2005 4:03:02 PM PDT by NormalGuy
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To: NormalGuy

Don't know but there has only been 1 senator elected directly from the senate in about 100 years.

Voters want someone with executive experience.

All the "comity" and I say that with as much derision as possible is the exact opposite of what you want as POTUS.


63 posted on 06/20/2005 4:11:04 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Democrats haven't had a new idea since Karl Marx.)
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To: David
Great tactical political thinking. Myself I will vote for Mrs. Clinton.

*Intercom from 30 miles away* Troll, may you please stand right there please, yes right by that big round thing, perfect.

ZOT!!!

64 posted on 06/20/2005 4:27:14 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: Paul_Denton

Look at his posting history - quite a lot of praise for Hillary and Bill Clinton alike.


65 posted on 06/20/2005 4:32:59 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat; David
He has been here so long I checked too, looks like he took a left turn some time ago.

I have never seen it happen but its possible, reminds me of Jim Jeffords.

66 posted on 06/20/2005 5:17:27 PM PDT by No Blue States
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To: David

Ah, a Hillary lover, eh?


67 posted on 06/20/2005 5:58:03 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: No Blue States; Paul_Denton; PilloryHillary; Zacs Mom; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; Tall_Texan
I think the Republican party managers who read this board regularly need to understand that if faced with a choice between a liberal Republican ticket--say either Frist or Rudy on top; Ms. Hutchinson on bottom; and a Dem ticket, even one headed by Mrs. Clinton, many conservative Republicans will not hesitate to take Mrs. Clinton.

I understand that most of you are offended by the idea that a cold rational choice for the long term best interest of constitutionally limited central government and the free enterprise economic system would have you voting for a ticket headed by Mrs. Clinton, but you need to get control of your emotions.

However bad she may be, the Clintons were not successful in pursuing a liberal agenda. Their principal legislative success was the 1993 Tax Bill--the Clinton administration was a period of growth and consolidation of conservative political power and a second Clinton administration would be the same. However bad a choice as Supreme Court justice Mr. Bryer has been, he is probably better than David Souter. And Ms. Ginsburg's health makes her an opportunity for the current administration rather than a succesful appointment.

As far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on the George II administration only because there is still time to turn failure into success. Although I reject the criticism of the invasion of Iraq, the aftermath has been terrible. Poorly thought out with no coherent policy to address the current status.

George II ought to be judged, at least in part, on his success in appointing a strong conservative majority on the United States Supreme Court. There is real doubt that he has the leadership skills and force to get his nominees approved by the Senate. Worse, on the first appointment, Rehnquist, where he has some chance to get a pass, he is waffling on Gonzales who will turn out to be another David Souter rather than forcing a strong nominee.

There is obvious support here for the Secretary of State. Ms. Rice is another weak opportunist; Pro-Abortion, anti-Bible, moderate with no obvious commitment to limited Constitutional government. What is she going to do that is better for the cause of freedom and the Republic than Mrs. Clinton will be able to do against a Republican Congressional majority?

This fuzz that some how you can defeat Mrs. Clinton with a weak candidate because the weak candidate is a woman, or a popular figure, is just wishful thinking. If Rudy really has what it takes to stop Mrs. Clinton, he ought to do it today in New York where his liberalism is an asset. We need to do a lot better.

68 posted on 06/20/2005 6:12:58 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

You obviously have taken a sharp left turn since joining in 1997. Looking at your posting history, it's obvious you are a Hillary Clinton fan. You might want to check out DU sometime. There are a lot of like-minded people there you could converse with.


69 posted on 06/20/2005 6:24:10 PM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: PilloryHillary
"You obviously have taken a sharp left turn since joining in 1997. Looking at your posting history, it's obvious you are a Hillary Clinton fan."

No. My political philosophy has not moved left in any way that I can think of.

Obviously, you are obviously welcome to think what you like--insulting your enemies is usually not a very effective form of argument.

I am not a fan of Mrs. Clinton's; but I am not a fan of George or his father either--both are lousy leaders. I don't like the liberal Republican fuzzys any better than I like liberal Dem fuzzys. And I guess I think in the next political exercise, trying to control our emotions and use our intellectual factilities to seek out the best way to persue our objectives is probably going to get us better results.

The best way to pursue our opportunities is to think through our objectives and devise stratigies to achieve them. Good Luck.

70 posted on 06/20/2005 6:51:33 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David; MeekOneGOP
Myself I will vote for Mrs. Clinton.

71 posted on 06/20/2005 7:18:57 PM PDT by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: David

I'm not going to condemn your viewpoint, in fact there is some twisted logic to it - not in the "America will learn it's lesson and run back to the GOP" reason either. It is that if a Democrat is in office, Republicans can return to being Republicans again - small government, moral values Republicans again instead of the wishy washy sponges they are now. There would be enough of them to stop the worst of a Democrat's excesses and might even force something good like they did with Welfare Reform in Bubba's presidency.

But there is one major problem. The Clintons backdoored the congress with recess appointments and executive orders to get "their people" and their policies into place no matter how extreme and the MSM obviously kept mum about it. They seized large plots of land for governmental and environmental narcissism, they sold nuclear secrets to the Chinese, they sold off pieces of American soil - all without the consent of Congress.

If faced with something like McCain vs Hillary, I would prefer to leave than vote for either. Maybe I would choose third party. They would just do too much damage to the country to want to stay. But I think if it came down to McCain vs Hillary, at least Hillary would cause the Republicans to grow a backbone again instead of being simpering wimps.


72 posted on 06/20/2005 7:21:43 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Visit Club Gitmo - The World's Only Air-Conditioned Gulag.)
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To: David

What are your objectives?


73 posted on 06/20/2005 7:41:04 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: David

Coldoleeza Rice is pro-gun. That is more than enough for me to vote for her.


74 posted on 06/20/2005 8:15:44 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: Tall_Texan
To your #72: I think I agree with almost all of that.

Up to now, I have not really had to make a difficult Presidental vote decision. I live in two places: One, the classic ultimate blue state where no Republican is ever going to win any statewide election for anything; if the Dems don't have the votes they steal them; and the other, the ultimate red state where every single county went for George. I could probably vote either place but my vote is not going to count for anything.

However the message for the R's is this: My mother in law is 86 years old and has never voted for a Dem for president--and she swears that in 2008 she is going to vote for Mrs. Clinton. No Dem has ever carried this county for president--but I don't talk to a single person who would vote for George today. Unless the R's produce a strong effective leader as a 2008 candidate; or unless there is an effective third party candidacy; any Dem will win. And at the moment, Mrs. Clinton is the any Dem.

75 posted on 06/20/2005 8:17:45 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: Leapfrog
What we ought to do is look up the Libertarian or Constitutional party organization in every state; if there is an effective conservative in the Republican primary, we ought to get organized to put him on the second line so that if he does not get the R nomination, he will get the conservative vote in the general.

In a three way race between Mrs. Clinton, a Liberal Republican; and a conservative on the third line, the conservative has a good chance to win if organized and capitalized to run an effective campaign.

76 posted on 06/20/2005 8:21:51 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: Paul_Denton
"Coldoleeza Rice is pro-gun. That is more than enough for me to vote for her"

She'll compromise on single shot.

77 posted on 06/20/2005 8:23:21 PM PDT by David (...)
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To: David

and hitlery is a plain gun grabber.


78 posted on 06/20/2005 8:35:23 PM PDT by Paul_Denton (Get the U.N. out of the U.S. and U.S. out of the U.N.!)
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To: mysto; David
Perfect! Great 'Toon!

The Biased Liberal media is EAGER to report that Hitlery is
"Moving to the center."

Ha! Yeah, right. When pigs fly.

Check out her "Move to the center" here, per the ACU. She
went from "10" in 2003 to a GOOSE EGG (0) in 2004, on a
scale of 100 = perfect conservative.

Moving to the center? He**, she's farther left in 2004 than
EVER!



Click here or on the pic for the article.


Hillary's Rating per the ACU


Senator Hillary Clinton (D)
New York
Democrat, Years of Service: 4

ACU Ratings for Senator Clinton:
Year 2004 0
Year 2003 10
Lifetime 9

79 posted on 06/21/2005 2:02:27 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: David

As already mentioned, your love for Hillary would be more appreciated on the DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com


80 posted on 06/21/2005 2:13:01 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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