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Painted pearl unlocks secret of Raphael's love
Reuters ^ | 6/17/05 | Clara Ferreira-Marques

Posted on 06/19/2005 1:18:03 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee

"Fornarina" means what? Fornicatrix? Is that a clue? Anyone know Italian?


21 posted on 06/19/2005 4:32:01 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Republicanprofessor

Yes, please on your art lesson list.

Do you know what Fornarina means? Fornicatrix?


22 posted on 06/19/2005 4:38:17 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: TXnMA
I would say that these are different women. The one of the left has detached lobes and the right has attached.


23 posted on 06/19/2005 4:49:42 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (This post wasn't cleared by the Fresno Mafia, so I expect a personal attack any moment.)
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To: Republicanprofessor

Please add me to your list.
Did we do Impressionists yet?


24 posted on 06/19/2005 4:58:04 PM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: wagglebee

margherita has to be one of the sexiest pictures in the western canon.


25 posted on 06/19/2005 5:01:13 PM PDT by ken21
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Good point. I wasn't sure if the difference wasn't an effect of shading and difference in the direction the model's head is turned. (Is "Velata's" detached lobe obscured behind her jaw line?}

As I said, I put very little effort into my comment. And I'm certainly no art expert! Just having a bit of amusement... '-)

26 posted on 06/19/2005 5:13:41 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: wagglebee

Add me to your ping list, too, please.


27 posted on 06/19/2005 5:15:44 PM PDT by tanuki
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I would say that these are different women. The one of the left has detached lobes and the right has attached.

Good point. I wasn't sure if the difference wasn't an effect of shading and difference in the direction the model's head is turned. (Is "Velata's" detached lobe obscured behind her jaw line?}

As I said, I put very little effort into my comment. And I'm certainly no art expert! Just having a bit of amusement... '-)

28 posted on 06/19/2005 5:21:04 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: TXnMA

I think they look very similar.

29 posted on 06/19/2005 5:23:42 PM PDT by CaptainK
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To: eleni121

I thought it was an odd comparison, too. Clooney is hardly a superstar....not even close to being in the same league as an artist such as Raphael!
Maybe the writer of the article has a "Clooney" fixation, huh?
How else would someone come up with something so inane! Yeesh!


30 posted on 06/19/2005 5:25:40 PM PDT by derllak
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs

Excellent point about the ears. Are you a budding art historian? Even the shapes of the ear otherwise look a little different. I've heard ears are even more different than fingerprints.


31 posted on 06/19/2005 6:07:06 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: mabelkitty
Yes, we did Impressionism a couple of weeks ago. I can only scratch the surface. Feel free to continue to make comments, as long as you ping me about them so I can catch them.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1414727/posts

Do a search under Art for keyword if you want the other "classes."

32 posted on 06/19/2005 6:10:28 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: billorites

Another ping for you.


33 posted on 06/19/2005 6:18:59 PM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs; Republicanprofessor; TXnMA
"I would say that these are different women. The one of the left has detached lobes and the right has attached. "

Yeah, right.
Nice earlobes.

34 posted on 06/19/2005 6:28:19 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: TXnMA
I'd say the "Fornarina" and the" Velata" portray the same woman.

i don't think those ears look alike at all...

35 posted on 06/19/2005 7:47:20 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: Republicanprofessor

The Fornarina is currently at the Indianapolis Museum of Art (along with Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres' painting and other associated works).
http://www.ima-art.org/

I haven't seen a reproduction of this painting that does it justice. It's truly stunning.


36 posted on 06/19/2005 7:59:05 PM PDT by brewer1516
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To: Veto!

I believe that "Fornarina" roughly means "little baker woman." This would go along with the belief that Raphael's lover was the daughter of a baker. I studied in Rome for a semester in college and right next door to my school in Trastevere was a restaurant called "La Fornarina." It occupied a building said to be the home of the original Fornarina. On the other side of the school was the Villa Farnesina which contains several wonderful frescoes by Raphael. Perhaps Raphael met this lady while in the neighborhood working on the villa's frescoes?

I'm surprised by how many people think Velata and Fornarina are the same woman. They look completely different to me - Velata being much prettier IMO. (pretty as a woman, not a painting - both paintings are beautiful)


37 posted on 06/19/2005 8:44:08 PM PDT by sassbox
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To: sassbox

Of course, now that you mention it, the baker woman. A good restaurant chain in the USA is Il Fornaio, in San Fran, Seattle, Pasadena, other places. They always bake bread and sell it along with serving excellent meals.

How terrific to have spent a semester studying art in Rome! I'm so pleased that FR has this nice little culture corner where I can meet people who've done the things that interest me. I spent one month there in 97 visiting friends and sort of frumming around the city on my own, as they worked. At the Vatican Grill, I met a fellow --American as I recall-- who'd just completed the art for the improved Grand Central Station in NYC. His friends swore up and down that he had indeed done so....I forget his name but you probably can roll it off your tongue. He was, I think, teaching at the American U in Rome.


38 posted on 06/19/2005 10:02:31 PM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Veto!

One of my best semesters in college was to spend a semester in Florence, Italy. It was amazing to have lectures on site at the various churches, and to live with Italian families, speak Italian with them. It was wonderful just to experience a different culture and live the way they live.


39 posted on 06/20/2005 6:51:47 AM PDT by Republicanprofessor
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To: Republicanprofessor
Now this is art. And a very interesting discussion to boot. I especially like the inclusion of Michelangelo and the reasoning behind it. Not just art history but art as history

(Of course everything so far (except for the picture of the bent one) would pass the sofa test)

40 posted on 06/20/2005 7:19:50 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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