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New model 'permits time travel'
BBC ^ | 6/17/05 | Julianna Kettlewell

Posted on 06/17/2005 12:06:22 PM PDT by LibWhacker

If you went back in time and met your teenage parents, you could not split them up and prevent your birth - even if you wanted to, a new quantum model has stated.

Researchers speculate that time travel can occur within a kind of feedback loop where backwards movement is possible, but only in a way that is "complementary" to the present.

In other words, you can pop back in time and have a look around, but you cannot do anything that will alter the present you left behind.

The new model, which uses the laws of quantum mechanics, gets rid of the famous paradox surrounding time travel.

Paradox explained

Although the laws of physics seem to permit temporal gymnastics, the concept is laden with uncomfortable contradictions.

The main headache stems from the idea that if you went back in time you could, theoretically, do something to change the present; and that possibility messes up the whole theory of time travel.

Clearly, the present never is changed by mischievous time-travellers: people don't suddenly fade into the ether because a rerun of events has prevented their births - that much is obvious.

So either time travel is not possible, or something is actually acting to prevent any backward movement from changing the present.

For most of us, the former option might seem most likely, but Einstein's general theory of relativity leads some physicists to suspect the latter.

According to Einstein, space-time can curve back on itself, theoretically allowing travellers to double back and meet younger versions of themselves.

And now a team of physicists from the US and Austria says this situation can only be the case if there are physical constraints acting to protect the present from changes in the past.

Weird laws

The researchers say these constraints exist because of the weird laws of quantum mechanics even though, traditionally, they don't account for a backwards movement in time.

Quantum behaviour is governed by probabilities. Before something has actually been observed, there are a number of possibilities regarding its state. But once its state has been measured those possibilities shrink to one - uncertainty is eliminated.

So, if you know the present, you cannot change it. If, for example, you know your father is alive today, the laws of the quantum universe state that there is no possibility of him being killed in the past.

It is as if, in some strange way, the present takes account of all the possible routes back into the past and, because your father is certainly alive, none of the routes back can possibly lead to his death.

"Quantum mechanics distinguishes between something that might happen and something that did happen," Professor Dan Greenberger, of the City University of New York, US, told the BBC News website.

"If we don't know your father is alive right now - if there is only a 90% chance that he is alive right now, then there is a chance that you can go back and kill him.

"But if you know he is alive, there is no chance you can kill him."

In other words, even if you take a trip back in time with the specific intention of killing your father, so long as you know he is happily sitting in his chair when you leave him in the present, you can be sure that something will prevent you from murdering him in the past. It is as if it has already happened.

"You go back to kill your father, but you'd arrive after he'd left the room, you wouldn't find him, or you'd change your mind," said Professor Greenberger.

"You wouldn't be able to kill him because the very fact that he is alive today is going to conspire against you so that you'll never end up taking that path leads you to killing him."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mechanics; model; paradox; quantum; stringtheory; theory; time; timetravel; travel
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1 posted on 06/17/2005 12:06:22 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Science has now proved predestination... but there's still no god.


2 posted on 06/17/2005 12:07:53 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: LibWhacker

Whewwww. Thanks, I have always worried about that.


3 posted on 06/17/2005 12:09:09 PM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: LibWhacker

"Whoa, that's heavy."

4 posted on 06/17/2005 12:09:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (Flush Newsweek!)
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To: LibWhacker

Don't tell this to the whales in San Francisco........


5 posted on 06/17/2005 12:09:34 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: LibWhacker

You can't travel into the past. You can only travel into the future.


6 posted on 06/17/2005 12:10:10 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: LibWhacker
Clearly, the present never is changed by mischievous time-travellers: people don't suddenly fade into the ether because a rerun of events has prevented their births - that much is obvious.

What a moronic statement. I stopped reading after this bit of tripe.

7 posted on 06/17/2005 12:10:47 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: LibWhacker

Nothing new, sci-fi authors have been saying it for years


8 posted on 06/17/2005 12:10:56 PM PDT by commonasdirt (Reading DU so you won't hafta)
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To: LibWhacker

Can I travel back in time and invest in cattle futures?


9 posted on 06/17/2005 12:11:46 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
You can't travel into the past. You can only travel into the future.

Coincidentally, I'm doing that right this very minute.

10 posted on 06/17/2005 12:12:45 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: 2banana
Can I travel back in time and invest in cattle futures?

No, but I plan on going back and buying stock of an upstart company called Wal-Mart.

11 posted on 06/17/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Pray Daily For Our Troops and President Bush)
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To: SengirV

"What a moronic statement. I stopped reading after this bit of tripe."

I didn't see anything moronic about it; this has been the theme of any number of science fiction books and films. I've never agreed with it myself, entertaining and dramatic though it might be. I've never thought that this dimension, or any other, could possibly be that fragile.


12 posted on 06/17/2005 12:14:57 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
You can't travel into the past.

Nevertheless, a great short story by Ray Bradbury has been made into a feature film that deals with just that. Looks great.

A Sound of Thunder

13 posted on 06/17/2005 12:15:11 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk)
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To: SengirV
Clearly, the present never is changed by mischievous time-travellers: people don't suddenly fade into the ether because a rerun of events has prevented their births - that much is obvious.

How else do you explain Billy Ray Cyrus? ;)

14 posted on 06/17/2005 12:15:36 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Violence never settles anything." Genghis Khan, 1162-1227)
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To: AxelPaulsenJr
No, but I plan on going back and buying stock of an upstart company called Wal-Mart.

I like fruit - would invest in Apples...

15 posted on 06/17/2005 12:15:56 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: LibWhacker
So basically someone with amnesia can destroy the known universe. I suppose a new slogan like "Knowledge is impotence" is in order.
16 posted on 06/17/2005 12:16:15 PM PDT by Ragnorak
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To: LibWhacker

I never was comfortable with the idea of an infinite number of possible universes resulting from time travel to the past.


17 posted on 06/17/2005 12:16:16 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: dfwgator
"Why are things so heavy in the future? Is there something wrong with the Earth's gravitational pull?"

I'm still skeptical. The article keeps referring to the present. Seems to me that if you go back in time, the present becomes the future, and I believe I can make choices that affect the future.

Then there's that aforementioned predetermination argument. Am I really making choices, or do I only think I'm making choices?

18 posted on 06/17/2005 12:16:18 PM PDT by FoxInSocks
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To: Hank Rearden

I've seen models brag about a car's horsepower or sleek design, but none have ever promised me "time-travel." I gotta start seeing more models.


19 posted on 06/17/2005 12:16:32 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: LibWhacker
New model 'permits time travel'

I used to put together models when I was a kid. They always looked better on the box than they did in reality.

20 posted on 06/17/2005 12:17:15 PM PDT by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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