Posted on 06/16/2005 9:43:44 AM PDT by stlnative
FR Natalee Holloway Threads...
Natalee's body found... (false report)
Posted on 06/11/2005 1:05:50 PM CDT by kcvl
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1420967/posts?q=1&&page=1#1
Aruba Info...
Full Aruba Island Maps
http://www.arubavacationhouse.com/images/arubamap.gif (BEST MAP)
http://www.caribbean-on-line.com/islands/ar/images/aruba2002.gif (good map but blurry)
http://www.aruba-tours.com/art/arubaattmap1.gif
Oranjestad Aruba Street Map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/images/oranjestad2002.gif
San Nicolas Street Map
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Hotel Location Maps in the California Lighthouse Area
http://www.arubaluxurycondos.com/images/arubamap1.gif
http://www.frommers.com/images/destinations/maps/jpg/176_resortareaaccomodations.jpg (NICE MAP)
Manchebo Beach Area Map
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Aruba Beach Location Maps
http://www.arubariba.com/ArubamapBeachMap1.jpg
http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/maps/arubabeachmap.jpg (nice detailed map)
Aruba Township Location Map
http://www.arubarealestate.com/aruba_map/
Aruba Diving Location Maps
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/diving_a.html
Aruba Beach/Site Seeing Pictures
http://www.visitaruba.com/attractions/sunandfun/beaches.html
Aruba/Natalee - Blogs/Boards/Forums
http://bb.visitaruba.com/
http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=124287&t=124287&v=t
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/ (Blog) - POPULAR
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/ (Forum) - POPULAR
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/ (Blogger in Aruba)
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/ (Blog) - POPULAR
Aruba White/Yellow Pages
http://arubayp.com/
Suspect's Personal Pages or Picture Album Locations
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14905439&Mytoken=20050613202923
FR Quick Ping List (copy & paste) - active posters to the thread
Andy'smom;bonfire;brigette;kcvl;maggiefluffs;No Surrender No Retreat;Palladin;Rippersnapper;TexKat;theophilusscribe
Message was posted originally by at the TRIP ADVISOR forum.. he's there now.. let me ask him over there..
>LLLemire
>Posted on: 10:30 pm, 15 June 2005 >
>Found it!
>Also another interesting post on the Visit Aruba Bulletin Board:
"On Natalee's Yahoo forum there there is a report that a heliocopter is searching Santa Lucia area because according to the cell phone records of one of the three suspects there was a call in the Santa Lucia area at 6:30 am the morning Natalee was to have met up with the group to leave for airport.
>Santa Lucia is is in Santa Cruz....pass the Ayo Rock Formations.... Right where they have the Donkey sanctuary
FOX NEWS IS UPCOMMING WITH
PICTURES FROM JORANS WEB SITE
that "we" wernt suppoised 2 see...
READ from TA:
natalie's US Posted on: 10:52 pm, yesterday
That phone call was made on Sunday morning, not Monday morning from the cell phone
natalie's US Posted on: 2:29 am, Jun 15, 2005
I wasn't on the trip, but I really wish I had of been. She was my neice and my friend and I really miss her. You would have liked her
I read through the grapevine that JVDS's tickle site may still be available through cached google.
Does anyone have the url or cached url?
bbl
I thought the images whould be cached on our computers somewhere. I tried finding them the other day but couldn't.
June 18, 2005
By Jau Reeves The Associated Press
MOUNTAIN BROOK, Ala. — Natalee Holloway's family, not Aruban police, first identified and located a Dutch youth now held as a suspect in the disappearance of the Alabama teen, according to a friend who helped with the search.
The family's quick work - a combination of hunches, tips and amateur detective work on the Caribbean island - also led to two of the youth's friends who also were taken into custody. But it ultimately was met by frustration when authorities failed to quickly arrest the trio, which included the son of a prominent Dutch ministry official.
"She had been missing less than 24 hours and we had all three names and addresses, so it's just disappointing that they weren't able to move faster," said Jody Bearman, who organized the trip to Aruba for 125 students from Mountain Brook High School and seven chaperones.
The three weren't taken into custody until 10 days after Holloway's family knew of them, and the search continued today for Holloway, an honors student and Mississippi native set to attend the University of Alabama on a full scholarship this fall.
Aruban authorities have defended their work in the nearly three weeks since Holloway failed to show up for the trip home to Alabama. Police work takes time, they have said.
Mariaine Croes, a spokeswoman for the attorney general's office in Aruba, declined comment today on how authorities initially learned of the three suspects.
"We have to wait for the investigation to finish," she said. A fourth suspect, the DJ from a party boat, also is in custody.
Speaking in an interview with The Associated Press late Friday, Bearman said Aruban authorities weren't totally to blame for their early failure to identify van der Sloot and the others, something she said the amateur sleuths did in less than three hours in Aruba.
"They did not know what was going on," she said. "We were there on a mission."
Terrified after hearing news any parent dreads, Beth Holloway Twitty landed in Aruba about 12 hours after learning her daughter Natalee had vanished during a graduation trip.
Accompanied by her husband and friends including Bearman on a donated corporate jet, Holloway Twitty had a few bits of information from Mountain Brook graduates who were on the trip, most importantly a physical description of a Dutch teenager - a judge's son, they thought - with whom Natalee was seen leaving a bar, Carlos' N Charlies', on May 30, the night she disappeared.
Bearman said the group also was told that Holloway's friends had seen the same teenager in the casino at the hotel where they were staying.
With help from some locals, Holloway's mother and the others determined the youth had been in the casino playing in a Texas Hold 'Em poker tournament, according to Bearman.
Players had to sign in, she said, and that gave them a name and initial: Joran V.
"After talking to enough people, we were able to deduce that it was Joran van der Sloot," she said. "Once we got the name we were able to track the address through people and we got the police. They escorted us and we went straight to the house."
Van der Sloot's father, Aruban judge-in-training Paul van der Sloot, said his son was out playing poker when the group first arrived at the house around 1 a.m., Bearman said. Still accompanied by police, the group went to a couple of places looking for van der Sloot before returning to the father's house and finding Joran van der Sloot there with one of the two Surinamese brothers who later were held, she said.
"Basically we interrogated him," Bearman said. "He never denied being with her."
Van der Sloot described dancing with Holloway at the bar and said "she wanted to go with me" at closing time, according to Bearman.
Van der Sloot claimed he left Holloway outside the Holiday Inn resort where the group was staying after they took a late-night trip to a scenic lighthouse, Bearman said, and he even accompanied the family to the hotel to show them the exact spot where she was dropped off.
His story didn't add up, though, according to Bearman.
"We started pressing him on that because we had students who were in the lobby until 5 a.m., and she never arrived," she said.
While Aruban police were present during the questioning of van der Sloot, which lasted until about 3 a.m., officers left the talking to Holloway's family until things began to get "heated," Bearman said.
Van der Sloot and the Surinamese brothers - Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18 - were interrogated by police the next day and released. While later taken into custody, no one has been charged.
Two one-time security guards were taken into custody because van der Sloot and the brothers said they saw Holloway outside the hotel with a security guard, but both have since been released.
The fourth person in custody, Steve Gregory Croes, 26, played music on a tourist party barge called the "Tattoo," but none of the Mountain Brook teens were known to have gone on the boat, Bearman said. An employer of Croes said the disc jockey knew one of the Surinamese brothers through an Internet cafe.
However, the reference to "stupid Yankees" is yet another telltale sign that the people in Aruba have little regard for the Americans who have spent millions of dollars there and provided that country with its main source of income! Remember the comment by the govt. representative about "...can't go in like cowboys..." in reference to going into van der Sloot's house to gather evidence? Twice now their disdain for us is showing. Let them make their living selling sand for all I care now. Any American who visits there and supports their economy does so knowing they have no respect or appreciation for anyone from the US of A.
By Peter Prengaman The Associated Press
ORANJESTAD, Aruba — A judge on today ordered the teen son of a prominent justice official and his two friends to stay in jail for at least a week more while investigators continue their search for clues in the disappearance of a young U.S. woman.
A fourth man detained in the case was to appear before a judge Monday, said Attorney General spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.
The man was identified by his boss as Steve Gregory Croes, a 26-year-old disc jockey on the privately owned party boat "Tattoo." He was arrested early Friday, a day after being contacted by police and giving them a statement, "Tattoo" owner Marcus Wiggins told The Associated Press on Friday.
Under Dutch law, which Aruba follows as a Dutch protectorate, authorities can detain individuals for up to 116 days without filing formal charges. A judge must review the case after the first 10 days, and then every eight days after that.
Judge of Instruction Bob Wit from Curacao extended the detention of Joran van der Sloot, 17, and brothers, Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, for eight days, said Mariaine Croes, who is not related to the fourth detainee.
Natalee Holloway, 18, of Mountain Brook, Alabama, disappeared in the early hours of May 30, the last day of a five-day vacation with 124 other students to celebrate their high school graduation.
Searches by authorities, volunteer islanders and tourists have led nowhere. Investigators were refusing to say if they thought Holloway was dead. Her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, has said she will continue to believe Natalee is alive until she has proof otherwise.
Van der Sloot is the son of Paul van der Sloot, of Holland, who is training to be a judge in Aruba. Holloway Twitty, 44, has insisted that he and the Kalpoe brothers hold the key to the investigation and that authorities pressure the young men harder to tell the truth. She said if there is not significant progress soon in the case, she may start to believe that authorities are protecting the detainees. Aruban authorities have said they are pursuing all leads and protecting no one.
On Friday, a judge ruled on a petition from the elder van der Sloot to visit his son, whom he has not been allowed to see since Joran was detained on June 9, and from the Kalpoes' attorneys requesting to see any evidence prosecutors may have gathered, Croes said. Croes declined to disclose the rulings, saying they had to come from the court. Court secretary Isella Wernet also refused to reveal the rulings. Defense attorneys did not return calls seeking comment.
On Wednesday, investigators towed two vehicles and searched the premises of the van der Sloot home in Noord, outside the capital of Oranjestad. Joran lived in an apartment attached to the main house. Authorities have not released the results of the search, but Attorney General Caren Janssen has said that Paul van der Sloot is not under investigation.
It was not entirely clear how Croes might be connected to the other detainees. He told Wiggins that he knew one of the Kalpoe brothers because he went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins said.
Wiggins did not comment on Croes' possible involvement in Natalee Holloway's disappearance. He said he had never seen any of the three young men aboard the "Tattoo," a party boat offering dining, dancing and swimming whose patrons must be 18 and older.
Holloway Twitty remarked Friday that Croes' arrest was "just the beginning," and that she believed their might be additional people brought into custody. She did not elaborate, however, and also declined to say what she knew about Croes.
"There is a chance we'll have more suspects, but it's impossible to speculate now because we are still investigating," Mariaine Croes said today.
Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten refused to identify Croes by name Friday but said that the latest detainee was arrested based on information provided by one of the three young men already in custody. The attorney general's office released a statement Friday identifying Croes' only by his initials, S.G.C., age 26.
Where can I find that info Rippersnapper? The reason I ask is because it is being posted
From SM:
I am pretty sure it was established that some kids did go on that cruise but that Natalee was not one of them (by Dash).
And I believe the couple with photos were on a snorkeling cruise, not the Tattoo party boat. That was also covered by postings from her friends, a few threads back. The couple said they were surprised she had the energy to dance at C & C's because they were exhausted from the snorkeling trip and she had been on it too.
No luck.
I think the lady was a call in to FNC.
I said they saw her SNORKELING.
Also arubagirl is back and this is unconfirmed at the present but she posed the following question:
Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject:
arubagirl wrote:
Hi guys, thanks for the warm welcome.
I'm almost afraid to post this, because I really to want to spread around the wrong info, but hasn't another Dutch guy been arrested? With the initials L.v.R.? Any locals hearing this? I've heard this from 2 different sources last night, but not from the press.
Would that be the Lorenzo guy that was only questioned then released?
I remember that post also, from the lady that was an American who was on the booze & snorkel boat. I don't know how those two go together, but oh well.
See post #1156 to see what you posted and what you were referring to.
Your guess is as good as mine!!
I swear I saw a woman interviewed on tv who said she was on the boat with Nat the day she disappeared and saw her later and C and C. She was a blonde, 40's and said she felt upset, like Nat was a relative. She was shaken and said all the girls were very nice. And commented on heer dancing at C and C. That was on tv as well as posted.
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