Here is a scan of a person who had half their brain removed. They seem to do just fine. It's called a hemispherectomy and is performed for epilepsy.
Posted on 06/15/2005 9:51:07 PM PDT by FairOpinion
Cause of Death: Complications of Anoxic Encephalopathy.
Manner of Death: Undetermined
The persistent vegetative state and minimally conscious state, are clinical diagnoses, not pathologic ones.
(these are all statements from the report)
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Here is a scan of a person who had half their brain removed. They seem to do just fine. It's called a hemispherectomy and is performed for epilepsy.
She also couldn't swallow. All the hype about nurses feeding her, about her responding to stimuli and following balloons with her eyes, were just that: HYPE.
The truth is most of you don't care what was wrong with her, you think it was wrong to pull her feeding tube even if that was what she wanted. If she had left a written will with those wishes you would still call it murder. This is your opinion and you are entitled to it and to state here on this forum and others, but state it truthfully please. Don't lie about the autopsy. It shows what Mike had said all along, Terri was in PVS plus she was blind. She was not aware of her suroundings, she did not say I WAAAAAA as her parents lawyer tried to claim. She had been dead for all intents and purposes for 15 years and she deserved to finally be put to rest.
Don't lie about the autopsy, read it from end to end. I did, and I saw the truth.
I know some of you will blast me here and call me a "member of the cult of death". I am pro-life, I hate and abhor abortions, but I also hate to see people suffer needlessly. If you really cared for Terri, you would be glad she has moved on, however you don't care for Terri, you care about being right and about keeping anyone alive no matter how awful their condition. Flame away.
Agreed. Being disgusted with what happened to Terri is a respectable position. Smearing everyone involved and spreading unsubstantiated rumors is not.
Well, helloooo, this is after she was being dehydrated for two weeks. The brain is 80% water, so naturally during the extended process of dehydration, it would lose water and weight. So the weight of her brain doesn't mean much.
Boy, you aren't the brightest bulb in the pack, are you.
Hi onyx, thanks for the ping. I'll read through the report tomorrow. Eyes are bugging out on me and it's time to put my peepers to bed. Goodnight :)
Cause of death. Self inflicted boliemia 1990.
The autopsy report confirmed that her brain was gone, disolved, no cerebal cortex, that she had no hope of recovery. An optic nerve even if it was in perfect condition couldn't provide vision, simply because there was no brain to process the information.
Of course we knew the autopsy report would never be acceptable by some.
Don't worry about being flamed. Some people just refuse to deal with facts. Thier behavior, the lies, the rumors, the demonizing of her husband, who had spent most of the money he had won in a law suit providing for her care, except for what had to be spent fighting off her greedy father who wanted a house for himself.
Because the funds were running out, decisions had to be made, and he, as her husband had every right to make them.
If she had any conciousness, ability to think, see understand, I would have said it was the wrong thing to do, but she was dead long ago. Her corpse was being kept alive, and that isn't life.
What makes you human, what makes you an individual, unique, a person, is your mind. The body is like all the other organs you posess, they serve the mind, they have no abilities to think, rationalize or see.
She didn't have half a brain, she had NO cerebal cortex at all. Otherwize I would agree with you. I'm sure you saw the xray of what her brain looked like. There was NOTHING left of the cerebal cortex.
The brain doesn't loose fluid even if you die of dehydration. it's a well know fact, so that "theory" is bogus.
You need a brain and have to be concious, aware, to feel pain. She had no cerebal cortex, and was not concious, aware. Also remember her own family said she was comfortable, doing well. Plus her father wouldn't let them give her any. Kidney stones are not a result of dehydration, they take year to develop. And why not take acetaminophen with kidney stones? it doesn't do any harm. Acetaminiphen destroys you liver, not your kidneys and only if you are a drinker, or abuse it for a long period of time. And yes, they give acetaminophen to people with pneumonia as well. What do you think stuff like pecoset contains? 325 mg acetaminophen, 5 mg oxycontin.
I'm sure there are plenty of people with shriveled/granulated brains that only have a few surviving neurons who are awake, coherent and "home". Of course, I've never encountered any of them....would you care to name a few for us?
You set down the gauntlet. I will accept it. So please don't join the others who picked up their toys and fled the forum. I don't want that. I want to confront your illogic with the same passion you had and not hear later that you ran away, because a lot of people had told me of that happening. Funny thing. Death trolls said a lot of nasty things about us, and we stayed, because we don't allow negativity to drive us away.
Negativity is the root of death. Hope is the root of life. "Might recover." That's hope. "Signs of consciousness." That's hope. "Can't." That's the Boortz crowd.
"You people are not to be believed. Flame me after this but you really should start getting your minds opened up to the truth."
It's amazing how much truth Boortz has been ignoring when he preaches death. It's all founded on ignoring what wasn't accepted by Greer. 'Only Greer knows what's best', and guess what? Greer should have recused himself.
"The truth is this: The autopsy shows Terri was brain dead, Read page 35, it sums it up nicely. She was also Cortically blind, as in she could not see."
First off, we don't kill people for being blind. Whether you know it or not, you and your's tout the claim of blindness in a vain effort to lower her 'quality of life' value. Please ask yourself why that is important to note.
Secondly, I'm just a layman here, but what does bleeding from the eye sockets due to dehydration do to someone's sight? I don't know, of course, but it seems logical to me that Greer's court order might have destroyed her vision.
Thirdly: Why didn't the medical examiner allow a witness? Surely he would have liked corroberation of such a controversial proceedure. Surely he didn't want to ask people to trust him and him alone, which would haunt him for the rest of his life.
Fourthly: I shouldn't believe all those nurses who blew the whistle? I shouldn't believe my own lying ears? Why didn't the judges investigate that tape? I'll tell you why. They wanted her dead and buried. They wanted that tape forgotten. It won't be. You might as well forget it. I realize that tape may have been a sham. But how can I be certain? Why should I assume then or now that those people were conspiring to make a phoney tape since the judges never bothered to disprove it?
I think you should face the truth: the judges who failed to investigate that tape should be removed from the bench, and if justice were to mean anything in this country, those judges should somehow be sued for gross neglect leading to wrongful death.
"She also couldn't swallow."
Ever hear of a thing called jello? Ever consider an ice cube? Ever consider the concept of 'dissolving'? Death trolls are so quick to say 'hopeless'. It's just like I said. Negativity spurs the death trolls. Hope inspires life.
'All the hype about nurses feeding her, about her responding to stimuli and following balloons with her eyes, were just that: HYPE."'
All words are just 'hype' according to your logic. That would include your own 'hype'.
"The truth is most of you don't care what was wrong with her"
Man your 'hype' has that backwards! The truth is the death trolls don't care what may have been RIGHT about her! Such negativity! We said, things MIGHT be RIGHT about her. You say with such certainty that things were all wrong, when the hype [actual hype this time] about bolemia and a heart attack by the death trolls was debunked. How much more of what they threw out can be debunked?
Keep trying to find what is wrong with people, keep ignoring any hopes, and soon you will fall down the same trap that Holland and England are falling down, today. Remember the baby that was aborted for having a mouth defect? In jolly, old England! That is the future path that smells so rosy to some today with Euthanasia. How can I not say this? Killing unborn based on lip defects is falling in the line of nazi Eugenics. It's not Eugenics to call for Terri's death, granted. But it opens the door for Eugenics, along with assisted suicide for the menally ill, even for the depressed.
"...you think it was wrong to pull her feeding tube even if that was what she wanted."
Michael didn't even know what she wanted, according to a deposition. He said so, himself, and was quoted saying so in that deposition. He lied later on. Death trolls are so eager to end the lives of the helpless, it amazes me. In a he-said-she-said matter, do we err on the side of death?
"If she had left a written will with those wishes you would still call it murder."
Oh I get it now! You read minds! You read Terri's mind, and now you are reading my mind! /sarcasm
"This is your opinion and you are entitled to it and to state here on this forum and others, but state it truthfully please."
Get your facts straight before getting on your high horse. Judge Greer was unable to see a lot of potential evidence, BTW. He's legally blind. Why didn't he recuse himself? This was a life-and-death decision, and he was not capable of seeing the evidence for himself, or sizing up the body language of the witnesses. It's like those blind people trying to run a daycare center.
Yet the judiciary rallied around this fool judge as though the fate of the free world depended on vindicating him. He also had financial ties with this hospice. But he didn't recuse himself. And Michael's lawyer has written some very interesting things in his book. Fascinating man.
"Don't lie about the autopsy. It shows what Mike had said all along, Terri was in PVS plus she was blind."
What autopsy? The one that was done in secret? What is that good for? If he wasn't willing to bring sunshine to this proceedure, obviously, he had something to hide. And BTW, you mentioned 'blind' again. It's so important to make it look like her life wasn't worth living. Please ask yourself, and I do believe you were motivated subconsciously, why it's important to say that she was blind, and then to emphasize it again? That is an important question to ask yourself.
"She was not aware of her suroundings, she did not say I WAAAAAA as her parents lawyer tried to claim."
Were you in the room? How do you know? They claimed it was her voice, and now we will never know, because the judges left that potential evidence alone. So your claim will never be vindicated, will it? Because the judges allowed that to fester. Even if it were a hoax, the judges set their own folly in concrete. And you are stuck defending the indefensible. Why choose to put yourself in such an absurd position?
'I know some of you will blast me here and call me a "member of the cult of death". I am pro-life, I hate and abhor abortions, but I also hate to see people suffer needlessly.'
You are pro-life, but you bought the cynicism of the death trolls. They erred on the side of death. It's that simple. And man, did they err!
"If you really cared for Terri, you would be glad she has moved on, however you don't care for Terri, you care about being right and about keeping anyone alive no matter how awful their condition. Flame away."
You have a very limited definition of caring. And of course you realize that even if her situation were more hopeless than her family thought, even if it's as bad as you say it is, there is such a thing as a miracle. Miracles happen all the time. Everywhere.
There's a bitter old lady I used to work with. I met her just a month ago. She had a terrible grudge against my former boss. She ended up getting cancer. As you could imagine, she prayed. When the doctor opened her up to remove it, the cancer was gone. Poof. Gone. That isn't the first miracle I've heard about. I wasn't a bit surprised, even said it for her. She said, "And then he cut me open..."
I said, "And God healed you."
She looked stunned that I knew where she was going. I've heard so many testimonies like that, I could tell by her speech pattern.
And then she had a greater miracle. She was no longer bitter. She was grateful for a chance to live, even though she's pretty old. She'll only live a few more years. But that's the beauty of miracles. When Dr. God heals your body, it's not uncommon for your soul to heal as well.
Our nation's soul needs healing. People are too quick to give up on life, to give up hope. We put too much faith in machines, in proceedures, in institutions. Without God, eventually, none of that will help us. Apathy is causing people to mess up at hospitals, to lie in order to 'smooth things over', to put hydraulic fluid in the wrong container, and to MISDIAGNOSE a patient's condition.
Only through submission to God will those trends reverse. But submission to hedonism will continue to spread apathy across our nation.
What I'm getting at is that even atheists should shut up and encourage faith, encourage hope. Why? Because a doctor or nurse filled with true faith is much less apathetic than some hedonist who's just going through the motions.
This issue over Terri is a path that leads to all manner of truth. I hope I didn't run you away. I don't want someone private messaging me that 'calex59 fled from the hostile jabs'.
"Also remember her own family said she was comfortable, doing well."
Give me a break. Her lips were split, bleeding. Her tongue split and bled. Blood was flowing out of her eyes. Her family was completely horrified. Maybe they tried to comfort others, I don't know. And they were run out of the hospice before she died.
"They are supposed to list the immediate, direct cause of death, which is dehydration -- the ME did NOT put that down as the official cause."
Good point. A sham right there.
I remember that her eyes were so dried out that she was bleeding from her eye sockets. I wonder if that destroyed her vision?
Have you ever heard of aspiration pneumonia?
Since the judges didn't bother to disprove the tape that was allegely her voice, I think it's safe to say that this autopsy needed more sunlight. It needed 'bipartizan' witnesses. It needs a publicly aired video tape if not that, and until that time, it's drivel. The judges blew it. They left a door of accusation wide open when they failed to investigate the authenticity of that tape. And their lack of curiosity and concern for a human life is damnable.
God forbid if she caught a cold. That could interrupt her legalized murder. I mean, just because loved ones played a tape and claimed it was her voice, we need to trust the machines. We need to trust the blind judge's findings after he looked at the evidence and sized up the body language of the witnesses before discrediting them. So no, speed up her death before someone starts thinking about the tape.
It is interesting isn't it how certain people use the size of Terri's brain (per these "autopsy results") to rationalize that it was right to dehydrate and starve her to death. Makes one wonder what they think should be done with others who are similarly disabled.
I heard a caller once say that in Holland, people who see therapists for depression are prescribed suicide.
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