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Guantanamo inmates can be held 'in perpetuity'
yahoo.com ^ | June 15, 2005 | Reuters

Posted on 06/15/2005 3:35:00 PM PDT by AgThorn

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican senators called on Wednesday for the rights of foreign terrorism suspects at Guantanamo Bay prison to be legally defined even as the Bush administration said the inmates could be jailed there "in perpetuity."

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The prison, currently holding roughly 520 inmates, opened on the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, in January 2002 in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. Many of the detainees have been held for more than three years, and only four have been charged.

At a U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Republican Chairman Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania said Congress should help to define the legal rights of the inmates at the prison, which the panel's top Democrat called "an international embarrassment."

Delaware Democratic Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record) asked Deputy Associate Attorney General J. Michael Wiggins whether the Justice Department had "defined when there is the end of conflict."

"No, sir," Wiggins responded.

"If there is no definition as to when the conflict ends, that means forever, forever, forever these folks get held at Guantanamo Bay," Biden said.

"It's our position that, legally, they can be held in perpetuity," Wiggins said.

Earlier, the committee's top Democrat, Sen. Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record) of Vermont, said the United States may face terrorism "as long as you and I live." He asked Brig. Gen. Thomas Hemingway, who oversees military trials of Guantanamo prisoners, if that means America can hold prisoners that long without charges.

"I think that we can hold them as long as the conflict endures," Hemingway responded.

"Guantanamo Bay is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals, and it remains a festering threat to our security," Leahy said.

"Our great country, America, was once viewed as a leader in human rights and the rule of law, and justly so. Guantanamo has undermined our leadership, has damaged our credibility, has drained the world's goodwill for America at an alarming rate," Leahy added.

Critics have decried the indefinite detention of Guantanamo prisoners, whom the United States has denied rights accorded under the Geneva Conventions to prisoners of war. The prison, was called "the gulag of our times" in a recent Amnesty International report.

Hemingway said the military commissions created by the Pentagon were the appropriate forum for trying Guantanamo prisoners. Human and legal rights groups have said the rules created by the administration are heavily biased toward the prosecution. The trials have been held up amid legal fights.

Navy Rear Adm. James McGarrah called "rigorous and fair" the Pentagon's annual review of the status of Guantanamo prisoners -- a process that can lead to their release. In those proceedings, detainees are prohibited from having lawyers and cannot see all the government's evidence relating to them.

Lawyers representing Guantanamo prisoners criticized their treatment and the government's system for trying them.

"The (reviews) are a sham," said Joseph Margulies, one of the lawyers. "They mock this nation's commitment to due process, and it is past time for this mockery to end."

Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record) of Alabama said: "This country is not systematically abusing prisoners. We have no policy to do so. And it's wrong to suggest that. And it puts our soldiers at risk who are in this battle because we sent them there."

Referring to detainees, Sessions added, "Some of them need to be executed."

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record) of South Carolina joined Specter and others who said Congress needed to get involved to better define the process at Guantanamo.

"I think it would be tremendously helpful if the Congress and the administration came together with some general statutory language to help define what's going on at Guantanamo Bay, to better define what an enemy combatant is, to make sure that due process is affordable," Graham said.

Specter noted that legislation he introduced in 2002 on legal rights of detainees had gone nowhere.

"It may be that it's too hot to handle for Congress, may be that it's too complex to handle for Congress, or it may be that Congress wants to sit back, as we customarily do, awaiting some action with the court no matter how long it takes," he said.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled a year ago that Guantanamo prisoners had the right to seek their release in federal court. But decisions in the lower court have been contradictory, creating what Specter called a "crazy quilt" of rulings.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Cuba; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; detainees; enemycombatants; gitmo; noproblematall
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To: AgThorn
This country doesn't so much have an "image" problem as it has a "Desperate Democrat" problem.

For months, Dems and their media cheerleaders have been tearing down the image of the U.S. and poisoning world opinion about our country. They feed overseas news outlets and antiwar groups with exaggerated accounts of prison abuses, fabricating stories whenever it appears to be to their advantage.

They think, wrongfully IMHO, it will help them politically in the next election by securing the moonbat vote that might stray to Nader or his ilk.

The solution to the image problem is not to close Gitmo; it is to ship these critics who aid and abet our enemies, and hinder our prosecution of the War on Terror, to Guantanamo for the duration of the conflict.

That would serve their interest in prison diversity since they would be able to commune with the prisoners, lock arms and sing Kumbaya together; that is, if their throats are still in tact.
101 posted on 06/15/2005 5:35:36 PM PDT by OESY
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To: AgThorn
Frankly I see no point in keeping them alive this long. Sure, maybe a year or 2 because they might have some information. But three years? Any information they might have is already stale.
102 posted on 06/15/2005 5:43:52 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: AgThorn
We need military tribunals followed by executions. There's no point in keeping them alive any more, and we need to make room for others we catch.
103 posted on 06/15/2005 5:45:20 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: AgThorn

I read, I think today that some of those released have already joined al Qaeda and back to fighting.

I hope we stop releasing them.


104 posted on 06/15/2005 5:46:27 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: MarcusTulliusCicero
Your mistake is you keep thinking of these terrorists as criminals, they are not, they are illegal combatants and as such do not have to be charged with a crime. The Dems are the ones who want to make it a matter of the police and acting as if they are common criminals and should have a trial. They are not due a trial except as war criminals or spies, since they were not in uniform when fighting. As far as some of them being innocent of anything, this is BS. They were captured fighting against US troops. Keep them as long as we like and tell the left to go pi** up a rope.

If the left is going to try to take our freedoms, and they are already trying, they don't need Gitmo to do it, they will do it the way they have going for the last 40 years, a little every day, slinging the BS and lying through their teeth.

105 posted on 06/15/2005 5:47:10 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Vicomte13

Due process in Afghanistan and Iraq - sounds good to me -But only after we have gotten important and needed information from them and punished them for crimes agasint our nation. That is after all the main reason they are being held.

They are after all captured enemy combatants and we are in the midst of war action. Should they wish to give up what we need, they should be released to countries of origin for due processing and then the squad.

The main problem is that these terrorists are getting a second wind from the traitors in congress - Chappaquidick Kennedy and sycophant Lahey and Princess Diane of California and the rest of the pompous jerks who care more about their phony humanitarian glamor than about the security and safety of our combat heroes.


106 posted on 06/15/2005 5:47:32 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: AgThorn

"At a U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Republican Chairman Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania said Congress should help to define the legal rights of the inmates at the prison..."

They're POWs! And we're the only country in THE WORLD that still honors the Geneva Convention.

However, some of those guys gave up willingly because they knew they'd get better treatment from Americans than they would from their own countrymen.


107 posted on 06/15/2005 5:48:03 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Baraonda
I hope we stop releasing them.

And executing them.

108 posted on 06/15/2005 5:48:19 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: AgThorn

"Guantanamo Bay is an international embarrassment to our nation, to our ideals, and it remains a festering threat to our security," Leahy said.

"Our great country, America, was once viewed as a leader in human rights and the rule of law, and justly so. Guantanamo has undermined our leadership, has damaged our credibility, has drained the world's goodwill for America at an alarming rate," Leahy added.

This leftist enemy of America is worse than the terrorists themselves. About making some room for Leahy at Guantanamo?

Beware the enemy within!


109 posted on 06/15/2005 5:50:50 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: curiosity

"And executing them."

I remember Secretary Rumsfeld say in late 2001 not to take prisoners. They should have been executed on the spot and do away with them. What has happened to the expression "take no prisoners"? Or was it just that, an expression, a soundbite?


110 posted on 06/15/2005 5:55:48 PM PDT by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: AgThorn

...and the borders are still wide open...

What a joke is this war on terriers.


111 posted on 06/15/2005 5:59:12 PM PDT by lodwick (Integrity has no need of rules. Albert Camus)
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To: AgThorn

Not some of them---ALL OF THEM!!!!!


112 posted on 06/15/2005 6:01:50 PM PDT by taillightchaser
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To: ken21
they probably eat better at gitmo than they do at home,

Probably? Unquestionably.

"For Sunday they're going to be having Orange Glazed Chicken, Fresh Fruit Roupee, Steamed Peas and Mushrooms, Rice Pilaf - we treat them very well," he told Fox.

Last night, Hunter said, the U.S. "torture victims" enjoyed the same kind of gourmet fare, including an entree of "Lemon-baked Fish."

113 posted on 06/15/2005 6:07:16 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Baraonda
I have no clue. But we need to execute them ASAP. No more prisoners, no more leftist claptrap about a "gulag," etc.
114 posted on 06/15/2005 6:07:55 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: taillightchaser

Yep, every last one of them.


115 posted on 06/15/2005 6:07:57 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: AgThorn
Guantanamo inmates can be held 'in perpetuity'

KEWWWWLLLLL.

That means they can 'get dead' and then be 'pickled'. RIGHT?????

116 posted on 06/15/2005 6:13:23 PM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: Thud
Be cold-blooded about it. Once these guys are no longer useful alive, get some use from their executions. Use those to impress the ones you haven't decided to kill yet.

Dick Durbin and Pat Leahy wouldn't approve.

But there's no need to tell them, is there...???

117 posted on 06/15/2005 6:16:30 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Vicomte13

"Well, if we decide we can't hold them forever, and they need to be tried, it seems to me that the appropriate thing to do is to give them full due process rights and full-dress criminal trials under the law"

Exactly what crime would you charge them with?


118 posted on 06/15/2005 6:19:39 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stpuidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: AgThorn
Guantanamo inmates can be held in hell 'in perpetuity'
119 posted on 06/15/2005 6:27:23 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remembering our Heroes today and every day.)
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To: superiorslots
What scares me is Saddam, hitler stalin and other tinpot dictators did the same thing to their own people and we railed against it.

That is quite a stretch, these are not our own people, they are enemy combatants.

120 posted on 06/15/2005 6:28:20 PM PDT by X-FID (If you spell it like "HEAR HERE!", you have a 100% chance of being half right.)
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