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Giscard regrets constitution sent to French people
EU Observer ^ | 6/15/05 | Lisbeth Kirk

Posted on 06/15/2005 7:51:39 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam

It was a crucial mistake to send out the entire constitution to every French voter, the architect of the EU's first constitution Valéry Giscard d'Estaing has said in an interview.

In an interview with the New York Times, his first since the French rejection of the constitution two weeks ago, the former French president apportions most of the blame to president Jacques Chirac for failure in the referendum campaign.

One crucial mistake was to send out the entire three-part, 448-article document to every French voter, said Mr Giscard.

Over the phone he had warned Mr Chirac already in March: "I said, 'Don't do it, don't do it'".

"It is not possible for anyone to understand the full text".

Mr Giscard d'Estaing also puts the blame on the present generation of political leaders.

Neither Mr Chirac nor other European leaders had a strategy for ratifying the constitution, he said.

"The present generation of leaders, whatever their strengths, never put Europe at the top of their agenda".

Mr Giscard d'Estaing was appointed by EU leaders at the Laeken summit in December 2001 to head a 102-member convention and draft a European Constitution.

Today Mr Giscard believes the constitution probably would have passed in France if the EU leaders had not left open the possibility of full EU membership for Turkey.

This week the bloc's leaders will meet in Brussels to decide the fate of the constitution, or "my document", as Mr Giscard puts it.

The ratification process should continue across Europe, the former president advises and predicts: "In the end, it will pass", he added. "There is no better solution".


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KEYWORDS: condescendingliberal; dcemocratplaybook; deathofthewest; destaing; euconstitution; france; scarystuff; sdontneedno; stinkingdemocracy
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To: Unam Sanctam
"Let them eat cake."
"Let them vote Oui."
21 posted on 06/15/2005 8:02:56 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Unam Sanctam

am with you all the way. Arrogance is too gentle a description; the self-anointed elitist might as well have said, "let's just do this anyway! The sheeple will willingly follow where we, their Betters, will lead!!!"


22 posted on 06/15/2005 8:03:16 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Psychologically, it must be unnerving to receive a phone-book-sized package in the mail from the government, asking you to approve it as if it were a contract. There's a difference between making it available, and dropping a bomb in people's laps.

That said, I'm glad the French nannies were such ninnies. :^)


23 posted on 06/15/2005 8:03:51 AM PDT by dangus
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
"Well, here's the documents our guys are putting together. "

You use the term "our guys" rather loosely...
24 posted on 06/15/2005 8:03:51 AM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
The arrogance here is just breathtaking...

Boy. You're not kidding there. "We shouldn't show it to the "rabble" because they can't understand it."

Good grief. Where's Robespierre when you really need him?

25 posted on 06/15/2005 8:04:06 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
"It is not possible for anyone to understand the full text".

This statement is just too nuanced for me.

26 posted on 06/15/2005 8:05:17 AM PDT by pbear8 (Navigatrix, Tomas Torquemada Gentleman's Club - Ladies Auxiliary)
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To: newgeezer
"I look at ours, note what has happened to it over the past 216 years, and can easily understand why they might value precision over brevity."

I disagree, the more complicated you make it the easier it is to reinterpret.

How much better it would have been if they had left out the - "A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,'

which has been widely misinterpreted and simply stated -

"The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."
27 posted on 06/15/2005 8:08:20 AM PDT by RS (Just because they are out to get him, it doesn't mean he's not guilty.)
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To: dangus

- - "receive a phone-book-sized package in the mail" - -

All that paper wasted! Trees are saddened.


28 posted on 06/15/2005 8:08:27 AM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: Unam Sanctam

I think they understood, Valery.


29 posted on 06/15/2005 8:10:49 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

You've got that right.

The "North American Union" is going to sail right through Congress, without so much as a say-so by Americans.


30 posted on 06/15/2005 8:11:31 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: LIConFem

Not only alive, but one of the principal authors of that ridiculous pseudo-constitution.


31 posted on 06/15/2005 8:16:19 AM PDT by SAJ
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To: Unam Sanctam

Even the French think the French are as dumb as a stump.


32 posted on 06/15/2005 8:17:09 AM PDT by marty60
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To: Unam Sanctam

I never realized that the French were so incompetent - any financial conman could have told them to get the check first and mail the prospectus later.


33 posted on 06/15/2005 8:18:15 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Just to keep things in historical perspective... the US Constitution (if memory serves) was never ratified by popular vote.........

Likely it would have failed to be ratified if it had been.

The masses did not vote to ratify the constitution, but representatives did.... hence a REPUBLIC was born.....

True absolute Democracy is a failed construct, it is simply mob rule...... Our founders understood this, and were vehemently opposed to it.... Its sad that not even 2.5 centuries later... we use the word Democracy as the ideal...

Democratic Republics are great constructs, true democracy is a horrible system.


34 posted on 06/15/2005 8:18:28 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Unam Sanctam
"It was a crucial mistake to send out the entire constitution.."

Yeah, keep it secret. That's the ticket.

The french people are (amazingly) wising up a little tt the tin-horn socialist tyrants who run the show.

35 posted on 06/15/2005 8:19:56 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Oh, but I see the same arrogance right here in the good ole U.S. of A. One party, in particular, thinks the peasants are too dumb to handle their own affairs. From healthcare to driving to building a house, we are all just too dumb for our own good. Thus, democracy is just not for us and should be replaced (unless we are smart enough to vote correctly, i.e. for that above mentioned particular party) by wise and benevolant rulers, appointed for life (read judges).

It is happening as we speak.


36 posted on 06/15/2005 8:21:25 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: HamiltonJay

Many states had specifically elected constitutional conventions to ratify the constitution. The text was printed in newspapers and vigorously debated in the press. Their was no attempt to hide the text of the document from the people.


37 posted on 06/15/2005 8:22:25 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

Before the vote Giscard boasted about how well-written and clearly understandable the constitution was. He modestly took credit for it's clarity and precision. Amazing to read what he's saying now.


38 posted on 06/15/2005 8:27:09 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Unam Sanctam
the fatal blow to the EU constitution was not that folks would fail to understand what the constitution was about, rather that they *WOULD* understand what it was about.

anything 448 pages long has to be suspect...

39 posted on 06/15/2005 8:30:41 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Unam Sanctam

The peasants in most of the EU are used to the elitism and arrogance of their leaders. They really don't care and will not care as long as the declining economies keep paying the socialized benefits. They actually believe that their personal freedom has been diminished for a good cause - everyone will be taken care of by the government.


40 posted on 06/15/2005 8:40:55 AM PDT by Wuli
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