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To: conserv13
Why? Is there any part of the Patriot Act that has been used to stop a terror attack? Or have they just used it on drug dealers and mafia types?

Are you telling me that the government has also used the Patriot Act against drug dealers and mafia types? Oh, the horrors! Next thing you know, they will be using it against kidnappers, murderers, rapists, and child molesters.

19 posted on 06/14/2005 12:44:48 PM PDT by kesg
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To: kesg

I would not really have much problem, so long as tactics and powers such as this were used on that sort of criminals and terrorists... the problem I have is we cannot say who may be labeled as criminals TOMORROW. For all you know, something you do everyday, may be labeled as criminal tomorrow.


22 posted on 06/14/2005 12:48:53 PM PDT by Don_Juan_64
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To: kesg
Aren't there already laws against drug dealing, murder, kidnapping and child molesting?

Would you mind of someone in Langley or Greenbelt goes through your internet history or library history to see if you are a child molester or drug dealer without cause?

25 posted on 06/14/2005 12:51:25 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: kesg
Why? Is there any part of the Patriot Act that has been used to stop a terror attack? Or have they just used it on drug dealers and mafia types?

Are you telling me that the government has also used the Patriot Act against drug dealers and mafia types? Oh, the horrors! Next thing you know, they will be using it against kidnappers, murderers, rapists, and child molesters.

And then if Hildebeast gets in she can use it against gun owners, smokers, and those who fail to recognize Her Greatness.

It's always a bad idea to support a law you don't want your adversaries enforcing.

-Eric

26 posted on 06/14/2005 12:52:14 PM PDT by E Rocc (If God is watching us, we can at least try to be entertaining)
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To: kesg
Are you telling me that the government has also used the Patriot Act against drug dealers and mafia types?

Drug dealers and mafia types are American citizens, imbued with certain protections of the Bill of Rights.

Until anti-Constitutionalists like you got done shredding the Bill of Rights, of course.

29 posted on 06/14/2005 12:56:14 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Republican Party is the France of politics.)
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To: kesg

It's like having the boss looking over your shoulder, even though you are working hard, it still feels uncomfortable knowing someone is waiting for you to make a simple mistake... especially knowing the FBI can legally listen to all of your phone calls and read all of your e-mails. You may be friends with a terrorist and not even know it but the FBI could see it differently from a 3rd party perspective and haul you in for collaboration. Imagine the neighbors of those men arrested in Cali. No arrests have been made but then again we are not ruled by a liberal executive branch at this moment. Remember Waco, Ruby Ridge and Elian Gonzalez under that liberal executive branch of the 90's.


30 posted on 06/14/2005 12:56:29 PM PDT by m1-lightning (God, Guns, and Country!)
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To: kesg; Lazamataz
Are you telling me that the government has also used the Patriot Act against drug dealers and mafia types?

Don't forget those evil Rubik's cube knock-off sellers....they are the really terrorists in disguise

Homeland Security Agents Visit Small Toy Store in Oregon About Magic Cube

ST. HELENS, Ore. Oct 28, 2004 — So far as she knows, Pufferbelly Toys owner Stephanie Cox hasn't been passing any state secrets to sinister foreign governments, or violating obscure clauses in the Patriot Act.

So she was taken aback by a mysterious phone call from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to her small store in this quiet Columbia River town just north of Portland.

"I was shaking in my shoes," Cox said of the September phone call. "My first thought was the government can shut your business down on a whim, in my opinion. If I'm closed even for a day that would cause undue stress."

When the two agents arrived at the store, the lead agent asked Cox whether she carried a toy called the Magic Cube, which he said was an illegal copy of the Rubik's Cube, one of the most popular toys of all time.

He told her to remove the Magic Cube from her shelves, and he watched to make sure she complied.

After the agents left, Cox called the manufacturer of the Magic Cube, the Toysmith Group, which is based in Auburn, Wash. A representative told her that Rubik's Cube patent had expired, and the Magic Cube did not infringe on the rival toy's trademark.

56 posted on 06/14/2005 1:19:22 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: kesg
Are you telling me that the government has also used the Patriot Act against drug dealers and mafia types? Oh, the horrors! Next thing you know, they will be using it against kidnappers, murderers, rapists, and child molesters.

Trouble is BoR IV thu VI details procedures that must be followed against those scumbags.

Let the State decide that Patriot Act supercedes the Bill of Rights anytime the State feels like it, who really won the Cold War anyway?

59 posted on 06/14/2005 1:21:49 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This isn't your Founding Fathers' Free Republic any more)
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To: kesg

You don't think much of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, eh???


75 posted on 06/14/2005 1:37:50 PM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: kesg
Are you telling me that the government has also used the Patriot Act against drug dealers and mafia types? Oh, the horrors! Next thing you know, they will be using it against kidnappers, murderers, rapists, and child molesters.

Do you understand the potential of being able to execute criminal type statutes on people without due process, without going through a judge?

123 posted on 06/14/2005 2:56:15 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: kesg

... tax evaders, speeders, anti-abortion activist, second amendment supporters..


189 posted on 06/15/2005 12:05:27 PM PDT by N3WBI3 (Windows, because throwing good money after bad never goes out of style...)
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