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The ‘Vietnamization’ of the Iraq war by TV and other Media-(WWII vet, ex-CBS,Gannett VP writes)
CHRONWATCH.COM ^ | JUNE 14, 2005 | LEE ELLIS

Posted on 06/13/2005 9:32:23 PM PDT by CHARLITE

As I watched the ABC news last Sunday night, I was reminded of how the TV news networks seemed to be so anxious to tell us all the bad things that have happened in Iraq or at Gitmo.

“Four more of our soldiers were killed today in Iraq, making a total number of X hundred this year,” the anchor solemnly announced. I could not help but wonder how many Americans were also killed today in Detroit, New York, Chicago or Los Angeles, and how many that would add up to in one year.

I think of media as trying to “Vietnamese” this war so that Americans will blame the current administration and demand that we bring our troops home. If you think that this is not working, just read some of the daily “Letters to the Editor” in your local newspapers. Today, the following was a part of the lead letter in my paper:

“ …Over the past several months, I have tried with all my might to justify the wanton killing of the many men and women who are ‘serving our country,’ as well as all the civilians who have no choice… I cannot begin to comprehend what our ‘illustrious’ president feels when he sees all this mayhem to a society that plainly does not want us in its country. Why don't we just pull all our troops out and let them have it all for themselves? They deserve it.”

I guess these readers (and the media) have already forgotten the 8 million Iraqi men and women who just risked their lives to go to the polls to vote for their own freedom with thanks to America. They also lack the knowledge that the Iraqi Heads of State asked us to stay in Iraq to help them. And are they really that naïve that they don’t realize that in our absence at present the terrorists will be free to re-conquer Iraq and will be emboldened to attack the USA again?

Are these people lost in the leftist propaganda because they seldom hear about all the good things that our troops are accomplishing in Iraq, about the schools and hospitals that are being rebuilt, about how many lives have been saved by stopping future attacks on our soil, or how thankful that we are that we are fighting the terrorists over there rather than here?

The media seems to forget that these terrorists (the media calls them, ‘Insurgents”) are financed by countries neighboring Iraq that are ruled by despots. Their corrupt governments know that freedom for the people of Iraq will spread to the other countries in the Middle East, causing their citizens to ask for the same. Power is more important to rulers than freedom for their people!

And then we have the news networks also trying to make the prisons for terrorists look like American torture camps. As a combat veteran of WWII, I can tell you what torture really means as can any American still alive after being a POW in any war. Torture means physical, screaming and agonizing pain, not the mere emotional stress we have applied to those who would kill innocent women and children! Ask some of the Iraqi citizens who have had their hands cut off or their bodies mutilated by Saddam Hussein about the real definition of torture!

Close down Guantanamo, the left shouts. And do what with the imprisoned civilian terrorists? They are not military soldiers of another country, so are not subject to the Geneva treaty. Move them to a prison here in the USA, some say. Can you imagine the outcry and protests if some escaped and blew up or hacked to death some of the local people living near that prison? I can hear the leftists now wanting to impeach President Bush for not keeping them in Cuba.

It is getting difficult, if not impossible, for me and my family to watch any TV network news any more. We are thankful that there is still a Fox Cable News. At least, we have an alternative news source. But even Fox, in an effort to be fair and balanced, airs the ridiculous lies and propaganda of the far left socialists and secularists who will only be happy when they have complete control of the America people and our government.

Will America stay strong? Or will once again Americans bow to weakness, as during the Clinton years, appeasing the liberals and preferring to be loved by both the UN and world opinion rather than preserving the freedom and culture of this once great country?

About the Writer: Lee Ellis is a retired journalist and a former vice president of both CBS and Gannet. He resides in Indio, California, where he write op-eds that appear in several local newspapers. Lee receives e-mail at indiolee@dc.rr.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: america; liberal; media; negativity; news; tv; waronterror
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1 posted on 06/13/2005 9:32:23 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE
They are not military soldiers of another country, so are not subject to the Geneva treaty. Move them to a prison here in the USA, some say.

Once they are on American soil the the ACLU, CAIR et al can demand and receive for them, ALL the civil liberties and protections that US citizens are entitled to.

2 posted on 06/13/2005 9:44:43 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: Justanobody

I think you would be correct .. and thereby may be the reason the lefties are trying to close Gitmo. If they can just get those people on USA soil .. they can work their magic.

But .. Gitmo is USA soil .. isn't it ..?


3 posted on 06/13/2005 10:18:08 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CHARLITE
The ‘Vietnamization’ of the Iraq war by ..... President Bush? .... is that the reality?

How long does it take a Super Power to beat a bunch of punks with RPGs. Well if you fight them like we fought in Vietnam.... um let see, how long was Nam? 10 years, yeah 10 years is the answer. Wait no, 10 years is how long it takes to lose. You never win fighting like this.

Why does our President fight Iraq like we fought Vietnam? Is it because there are two other Nuclear Super Powers like Russia and China supporting Islamic Terror? No. Then why?

Why does the President allow the enemy that kills our troops to use as a sanctuary Syria and Iran, like the enemy did - Cambodia and Laos? At least we bombed Cambodia and Laos secretly and even invaded Cambodia. So why?

Why do we have to pay 80+ billions of dollars every year to fight for and BUILD a nation which has billions of dollars in oil reserves?

Why do our troops die and suffer to defend a government that has a constitution that prohibits freedom of religion? And worse yet mandates Islam as its STATE RELIGION!

If our President doesn't want Iraq to be Vietnamized, then he shouldn't fight it like Vietnam.
4 posted on 06/13/2005 10:25:45 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: CyberAnt
But .. Gitmo is USA soil .. isn't it ..?

No ... Cuba.

5 posted on 06/13/2005 10:28:54 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: Justanobody

But .. Cuba has no authority over us on the property where the base is located. Guantanamo - I believe - is a 99 year lease - or something like that.

I believe the base situation is similar to an embassy - which is considered AMERICAN SOIL.

So .. I would presume Gitmo is on American soil.


6 posted on 06/13/2005 11:20:40 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CHARLITE
The media seems to forget that these terrorists (the media calls them, ‘Insurgents”) are financed by countries neighboring Iraq that are ruled by despots. Their corrupt governments know that freedom for the people of Iraq will spread to the other countries in the Middle East, causing their citizens to ask for the same. Power is more important to rulers than freedom for their people!

No they haven't forgotten

7 posted on 06/14/2005 12:06:32 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: CyberAnt

U.S. Naval Station Guantanamo Bay was established in 1898, when the U.S. obtained control of Cuba from Spain at the end of the Spanish-American War, following the 1898 invasion of Guantanamo Bay. The US government obtained a perpetual lease that began on February 23, 1903, from Tomás Estrada Palma, an American citizen, who became the first President of Cuba. The newly formed American protectorate incorporated the Platt Amendment in the Cuban Constitution. The Cuban-American Treaty held, among other things, that the US, for the purposes of operating coaling and naval stations, has "complete jurisdiction and control" of the Guantanamo Bay, while the Republic of Cuba is recognized to retain ultimate sovereignty.

In 1905, in part because of the Platt Amendment, there was an uprising requiring the US to occupy Cuba for 3 years. A 1934 treaty reaffirming the lease granted Cuba and her trading partners free access through the bay, modified the lease payment from $2,000 in gold coins per year, to the 1934 equivalent value of $4,085 U.S. Treasury Dollars, and added a requirement that termination of the lease requires the consent of both the US and Cuba governments, or the abandonment of the base property by the US.


8 posted on 06/14/2005 12:11:02 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
or the abandonment of the base property by the US.

Could this be what the libs are aiming for?

9 posted on 06/14/2005 12:21:07 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1

Oh, ding! ding! I wonder if that is what Dodd really wants?


10 posted on 06/14/2005 12:22:00 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

could be .. give the whole island back to Castro


11 posted on 06/14/2005 12:26:58 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: CHARLITE

These prisoners squealled like little piggies. They dont want to go home. The would last only a very short time. Let the ACLU kill them by releasing them home with a great big, vocal pat on the back from Uncle Sam, what with giving us all their information. The the home folks that we could not have done it without their help. The would not last the day.


12 posted on 06/14/2005 12:41:18 AM PDT by truemiester
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To: CyberAnt; Howlin
Sorry CyberAnt - I was off doing research on another project.

Thanks to Howlin in Post #8 for supplying the answer.

It would appear by the subsequent posts that the mystery has been solved. ;*)

13 posted on 06/14/2005 12:53:44 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: TomasUSMC

You're not kidding. As much as I support Bush and the admin, we need to minimize the amount of troops we have on the ground and start using our Air Force and advanced U.S. technology to crush these terrorist bugs.

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Arguing with a liberal is like watching a dog chase its tail; it's funny to see the two run around in circles, confused, with no end in sight


14 posted on 06/14/2005 1:05:28 AM PDT by angelr1076
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To: CyberAnt

I don't believe it is. America leases it from Cuba. I believe the lease is in perpetuity and dates from the Spainish-American war.


15 posted on 06/14/2005 6:21:40 AM PDT by Valin (The right to do something does not mean that doing it is right.)
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To: truemiester
"Close down Guantanamo, the left shouts. And do what with the imprisoned civilian terrorists? They are not military soldiers of another country, so are not subject to the Geneva treaty."
----->

My honest answer is a non-debatable: Kill them - after we extract any and all useful information.
16 posted on 06/14/2005 6:43:08 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Howlin

What a know-it-all! ;-)


17 posted on 06/14/2005 6:49:12 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: CHARLITE
Attention Mr. Lee Ellis and anyone else who cares to listen.

DISCONNECT YOUR CABLE AND STOP PAYING FOR CABLE TV!


You probably pay over US$1000 annually for the privilege of being subjected to continuous, socialist propaganda. It is polluting the minds of your children. It is polluting your own mind more than you know.

Cable should be an a-la-carte service. I would pay for individual channels that do not bombard me with bull. But with government enforced bundled pricing every single cable bill you pay helps fund the alphabet leftists and perpetuate their existence.

I know I sound like every kids mother "you watch too much TV" but listen to the discussions of "media" on FR. We don't need TV for world information any more.

How about a cable package with just sports and PPV movies?

The entire media industry has become a government controlled abomination (controlled pricing, territory ... structures through cable regulations).

The alphabets would be gone in a heartbeat if you had the ability to cut off their funding. Do it. If we all stop paying the cable bill I assure you that the market will find a way to draw us back in.

I turned off the cable over a decade ago. Believe me - you won't even notice it's gone because there's nothing on anyway (unless you need a sports fix in which case you're hosed without it).
18 posted on 06/14/2005 7:07:44 AM PDT by cdrw (Freedom and responsibility are inseparable)
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To: Valin

But .. I still say .. Cuba has NO AUTHORITY on the base premises - therefore making the base "technically" USA soil.

If Cuba had any authority there - we would have left when Castro took over.


19 posted on 06/14/2005 8:58:37 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Howlin

Thank you for that enlightening info.


20 posted on 06/14/2005 9:02:06 AM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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