Posted on 06/11/2005 11:05:50 AM PDT by kcvl
Per Fox News...
When I was growing up you could drink legally at 18 in many states --At the Univ of Wis beer was available at the student union and all fraternity and sorority houses (legally). Most European countries allow drinking under 21.
Just a dad that raised two daughters and a son.
Is there an assumption that this was a deliberate murder?
Per FOX: they are taking parents to her body.
The reason so much conflict: protocal. Facts were correct all along as per her death.
Especially since Andrew Breitbart jumped ship to work for the Huffington Post. Andrew essentially was Drudge for many hours of the day, and I don't know if Drudge ever replaced him.
I have two boys. They have had it well pounded into them that they don't even go into situations where a dishonest statement can possibly get them in trouble. For instance, my son never gives a girl a ride home in a car if he is alone. He does not go anywhere private with a girl. If the guys he is with are getting rowdy, he goes home.
Teach them proverbs out of the bible. They are lifesavers.
For the lips of an adulteress drip honey,
and her speech is smoother than oil;
4 but in the end she is bitter as gall,
sharp as a double-edged sword.
5 Her feet go down to death;
her steps lead straight to the grave.
6 She gives no thought to the way of life;
her paths are crooked, but she knows it not.
7 Now then, my sons, listen to me;
do not turn aside from what I say.
8 Keep to a path far from her,
do not go near the door of her house,
9 lest you give your best strength to others
and your years to one who is cruel,
10 lest strangers feast on your wealth
and your toil enrich another man's house.
11 At the end of your life you will groan,
when your flesh and body are spent.
12 You will say, "How I hated discipline!
How my heart spurned correction!
13 I would not obey my teachers
or listen to my instructors.
14 I have come to the brink of utter ruin
in the midst of the whole assembly."
15 Drink water from your own cistern,
running water from your own well.
Hoping it would go away by blaming 2 black guys.
Season 2
7. A Death by the Sea
gs: Patrick Allen (van Teeseling) Karin MacCarthy (Doctor) Mark Jones (Martin) Jack May (Minister) Sydney Tafler (Halsbeek) Dave Carter (Stribos) Joanna Dunham (Lucienne) Richard Simpson (Jeweller) Harold Reese (Caretaker)
Van Teeseling, a wealthy and influential banker, is found unconscious in his car on the beach. He tells police that the night before he and his wife went for a drunken midnight swim. His wife drowned while he barely escaped with his life. Van der Valk's nose is twitching, but he is put under pressure not to pursue the case. When Kroon discovers than van Teeseling is a former Olympic swimmer, van der Valk is convinced that he staged the incident to get rid of his wife. Van der Valk is determined to use any means to ensure that justice is done.
When I was growing up you could drink legally at 18 in many states --At the Univ of Wis beer was available at the student union and all fraternity and sorority houses (legally). Most European countries allow drinking under 21.
True for me also...however until I had my own place I would have had to stumble in drunk without the folks hearing me. Not an easy thing to do with DAD. The trip these kids were on is a wheels off affair that most teens cannot handle. I couldn't have at that age.
yeah...and in some cases, it is the idiot admininstrators that students have to be protected from....like at Penn State, where they let convict workers on campus and one of them decided to stroll into a dorm and check out the women's showers...
Another poster, much smarter and more astute than I, made the point that the blame lies entirely with the person(s) that murdered her. Innocence and naivete in an 18 yr old isn't that surprising or that rare.
Let's be sure to place blame where it is due. And that isn't with Natalee or her parents or the chaperones. It is with the merciless sociopath(s) that killed her.
Yes but the toxicology report if it comes back that someone slipped her a Micky-Finn or Date-Rape will or at least change the tone of the trial.
Good point.
This is too damn sad. Beautiful kid...smart too..such a sad waste.
While this girl didn't deserve to die the night she was killed, I have to wonder just what the heck she was thinking about before each of the choices she made. What did the parents think when they permitted her to go? What did they prepare her for? Did they believe she'd be sunning or taking arts and crafts classes and drinking diet cokes? To have spent time and money planning a trip to an island where the drinking age is "legal," did that assuage any second thoughts in their minds? Because it was more of a "tourist brochure"-type destination, unlike crossing into Mexican cerveza & tequila territory, did that somehow make it much easier to send these graduates?
And after all this time, we are only now finding out that Miss Natalee *wasn't even* legal to drink in Aruba! Did the parents feel better knowing that their child was only going to be a few months shy of 18, rather than a few years here in the USA? For Pete's sake, she was still a child by definition, even on an island with looser drinking laws than the US.
I'd also like to learn more about the "chaperones" on this trip. I'm very curious to know where Natalee's was that night. Has anyone here heard anything about them? Did any of the chaperones consume *any* alcohol during the trip? Where were her friends? Were they prepared to be "adult-like" should a situation arise where one of the group was drunk and attempting to make life-changing decisions...especially with a threesome of the opposite sex in a foreign country?
This whole situation makes me sick. Sick-sick-sick. Things like this happen to parents who would rather be "friends" with their children/pretend adults rather than parent them as the Lord intended.
I am so, so sorry for this family and their loss and their grief. I am sorry for the decisions which led up to this; theirs, the chaperones' and all of her fellow graduates'. A week of playing adult, on an island which made it easier for these parents to give their blessings sure doesn't look quite as fun anymore, now does it? What kind of scrapbook does one buy to preserve memories like these?
When she didn't... 'something bad' happened.
Well, I'm at my wits end, I tell you. Have they found her body or not?
We don't even know she went with them willingly. She could have been drugged - it's not unusual nowadays.
Innocence and naivete in an 18 yr old isn't that surprising or that rare.
All the more reason those kids were over their heads in Aruba...having said that of course the person who murdered her is to blame.
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