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Police make gesture of hope to the public in gun buyback(Baltimore success, one child saved, maybe)
Baltimore Sun ^ | Jun 7, 2005 | Michael Olesker

Posted on 06/07/2005 9:21:20 AM PDT by marylandrepub1

The $141,000 the police have doled out in seized drug money over the past week to buy guns off the street is expected to end today. Through the weekend, police had purchased more than 1,600 guns. So what's the problem in getting such killing instruments out of people's hands? The police answer is the sound of more nobility: If they can prevent one child accidentally shooting another child, it's worth the money.

The National Rifle Association, with its deep pockets and its sense of utter amorality, has sold self-protection and the Second Amendment as its part of the debate (and opposes gun buybacks).

"I don't know," police spokesman Matt Jablow said yesterday. "I know that if we can prevent one child from being shot, or crimes from being committed, then it's a tremendous success. Given the amount of guns turned in, we've done just that. There's no way that one of these guns wouldn't have been used in a crime, or gone off and injured a child. But I can't tell you why people are turning in their guns. And I don't care why."

What matters is: They're doing it. The city's 2005 homicide total is now 111 (a year ago at this time, 115). There are 208 more individuals who were shot but lucky enough to survive. (A year ago, 230.)

The police understand this, as they dole out the last of their money. They are not naive. They insist, with reason, that the buyback is a tiny part of their fight against crime. But the buyback also restates a psychological cry that needs to be sounded from time to time. It is harder for them to protect us when we insist on arming ourselves, and this is their small, hopeful gesture to make us understand.

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"I know that if we can prevent one child from being shot, or crimes from being committed, then it's a tremendous success. Given the amount of guns turned in, we've done just that." "The National Rifle Association, with its deep pockets and its sense of utter amorality, has ..."

Seems that he can justify anything with a claim like this. Note Olesker's tone of moral superiority and his moral disgust for those that disagree with him. Talk about black and white. The only grey areas to him are the Baltimore criminals who are not at fault (we deny them free drug treatment.)

1 posted on 06/07/2005 9:21:21 AM PDT by marylandrepub1
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To: marylandrepub1
There's no way that one of these guns wouldn't have been used in a crime, or gone off and injured a child.

Guns are evil, forcing people to commit crimes and pulling their own triggers to injure children.

2 posted on 06/07/2005 9:23:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: marylandrepub1
Buybacks are silly, feel-good solutions. Some punk intent on crime is going to get a gun one way or the other. If he turned one in for a buyback, he'll just go get another one.

The "it's for the children" mantra is beginning to wear thin.

3 posted on 06/07/2005 9:27:22 AM PDT by Luna (Lobbing the Holy Hand Grenade at Liberalism)
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To: Luna

Hartford CT gave up its Gun Bayback program when the city figured out that Gang Bangers were bringing in murder weapons, getting cash for them, No questions asked and buying new weapons with the money. It was exposed as a Gun Laundering Program. The police had paid for murder weapons and couldn't examine them for ballistics evidence.


4 posted on 06/07/2005 9:36:52 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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You are absolutely correct. Gun buyback programs do nothing more than put fresh cash in the hands of drug abusers.


5 posted on 06/07/2005 9:39:10 AM PDT by jjmcgo
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To: Luna
Some punk intent on crime is going to get a gun one way or the other. If he turned one in for a buyback, he'll just go get steal another one.
6 posted on 06/07/2005 9:40:12 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marylandrepub1
I've been holding onto a broken old single shot 12 gauge shotgun, waiting for some fool to pay me good money in a 'buyback' scheme. It only cost $50 around twenty-five years ago, and most of the buybacks I've heard of pay at least that much.

Lots of police don't like guns in the hands of citizens. They don't think it's healthy for any community. It is harder for them to protect us when we insist on arming ourselves, and this is their small, hopeful gesture to make us understand.

Boy, the author of this article sure is a weenie... I bet he sleeps with the light on. I'll bet he'd crap his panties if he knew the cops don't protect anybody, they're just the cleanup crew.

7 posted on 06/07/2005 9:46:46 AM PDT by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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What matters is: They're doing it. The city's 2005 homicide total is now 111 (a year ago at this time, 115). There are 208 more individuals who were shot but lucky enough to survive. (A year ago, 230.)

Haven't they read the latest reporsts about violent crimes being in a downward trend, especially in cities of a million or more? Their statistics of a decline nestle right in with the statistics for cities whether they had gun buybacks or not.

8 posted on 06/07/2005 9:51:06 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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"It is harder for them to protect us when we insist on arming ourselves,"

Is being able to defend myself going to make the police show up later? Lessen the paperwork? If I give up my firearms will that make the police somehow psychic so they will know beforehand that a crime is about to go down? I'll take the NRA's 'sense of utter amorality' any day over the sanctimonious drivel of the gun grabbers.


9 posted on 06/07/2005 9:54:11 AM PDT by Leg Olam (I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.)
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To: Kenton

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.olesker31dec31,1,1784513.column?coll=bal-home-columnists


Here's another sample. His outrage over our governor vetoing another tax increase.


10 posted on 06/07/2005 9:59:29 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (They are not justices, they are Kings who think they are Gods!)
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gun buyback

Dang, I hate that term. It's a 'gun buy', not a 'gun buyback'. You can't buy back something you never owned to begin with. The use of the term is just a hidden way of saying that all rights come from the government and they can take them away whenever they want. The same thing with 'turning them in'.

11 posted on 06/07/2005 10:08:42 AM PDT by tnlibertarian ("In my opinion, they have no rights, except a safe return to their homeland. - "Robert Vazquez")
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If the technique works so well, why don't the police institute a crack, meth, or heroin buyback program?

"There is no way that these drugs will cause an overdose in a child, or tempt a junkie to commit a crime. If we can save only one life, it will be worth it."

12 posted on 06/07/2005 10:10:44 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

Very good!


13 posted on 06/07/2005 10:13:05 AM PDT by marylandrepub1 (They are not justices, they are Kings who think they are Gods!)
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To: marylandrepub1

"Buyback"???

The government didn't sell them in the first place!


14 posted on 06/07/2005 10:17:56 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: massgopguy
Not to mention, bringing in cheapo, inoperative, old weapons to get money for new weapons.

Maybe the dumbest idea the libs ever came up with. And they have had some doozies.

15 posted on 06/07/2005 10:24:26 AM PDT by Protagoras (I’ve had all I can stands and I can’t stands no more.....Popeye)
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So they gave $88 for each gun? There might be some good deals for someone willing to buy on the street.


16 posted on 06/07/2005 10:30:40 AM PDT by jjones9853
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To: marylandrepub1
The $141,000 the police have doled out in seized drug money over the past week to buy guns off the street is expected to end today.

So the thugs give up their stolen guns to get their cash back. Then they go steal another gun, and the only thing the cops did was offset some of their monetary loss.

I'm not seeing the downside to criminals and crime.

17 posted on 06/07/2005 10:43:24 AM PDT by freedomcrusader (Proudly wearing the politically incorrect label "crusader" since 1/29/2001)
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Gun sales are regulated by the ATF. A law enforcement agency such as a Police Dept., buying guns from the public do not constitute private sales, and the agency is not a licensed dealer. Therefore this City is illegally trafficking in firearms.

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18 posted on 06/07/2005 10:54:06 AM PDT by tiger-one
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To: marylandrepub1

That "just one child" line makes me gag. I have a number of problems with these stupid gun-buy programs, including 1. It encourages criminals to steal guns and get cash from the cops. 2. Criminals dispose of crime guns this way and the cops don't even check the turned-in guns. 3. A lot of valuable collector's items are lost this way (although I have always suspected any decent gun finds it's way into a cop's pocket). 4. Anybody dumb enough to sell an Uzi for $88 or whatever the buy price was, is an idiot. A street-legal, semi-auto Uzi is worth hundreds of bucks.

All this, plus the fach that the cops and their leftie pals like this columnist can't prove that these stupid programs have prevented one single crime of any type.


19 posted on 06/07/2005 10:58:30 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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My mom got fifty bucks from a local buyback program. It was a rusted piece of junk that was worthless even for scrap.


20 posted on 06/07/2005 11:07:10 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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