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No spanking allowed (in Brookline) [Massachusetts nanny alert]
Brookline (Ma.) Tab ^ | June 2, 2005 | Monica Deady

Posted on 06/03/2005 6:25:19 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative

Angry Brookline parents, beware.

     Town Meeting passed a nonbinding resolution last week by a narrow margin, encouraging Brookline residents to refrain from using corporal punishment on children.
     The resolution, which was debated at Town Meeting two times last year and drew national media attention, encourages parents and caregivers not to use corporal punishment on children, but instead to use alternate nonviolent means of discipline.
     Corporal punishment, according to the resolution, is "intentional infliction of physical pain for the purpose of punishment."
     Amid some sniping by Town Meeting members, politicians and the petitioner about the article appearing before Town Meeting for a third time, the resolution passed by the slim margin of 89-80.
     Before the meeting, a few people stood in the rain handing out stickers that read, "Kids' Safe Zone," with a no-spanking symbol.
     "Well, I was relieved and certainly pleased and a little bit surprised," said Ron Goldman, the resolution's petitioner and a Brookline resident. Goldman, who has no children, is an engineering consultant and has a Ph.D. in psychology. He said he was concerned the town boards who requested no action on the resolution would have influenced more of the legislative body's vote. "I hope this contributes to raising awareness. That was the intention."
     The resolution also encourages "the appropriate town groups such as the Advisory Council for Public Health and the PTOs explore how they can raise awareness of this issue."
     This week, some of those officials were not aware that the resolution included their groups, and others were not sure yet how their group may act.
     "It's too soon to tell," said Alan Balsam, director of public health. "I think that the advisory council [for public health] will take it seriously, but where it goes beyond that I'm not sure."
     Balsam said he anticipated his group may discuss it at an upcoming meeting in the fall.
     Runkle School PTO President Christina Suh said she also thought the PTO may discuss it at an upcoming meeting.
     "As a PTO, we'd probably discuss it at a board meeting, along with other topics of concern or potential topics for a speaker," she said.
     At the Lincoln School, PTO President Beth Kantz said she thinks one of the many forums the school offers could be a good opportunity for discussion.
     "The school's philosophy certainly mirrors one that is not supportive of corporal punishment," Kantz said. "I think the PTOs can provide some other [forums] to try to get together to try to learn from each other."
     At the Lincoln School, Kantz said the PTO hosts regular Friday coffees for parents and teacher to foster discussion on different topics, as well as other forums, which could serve as discussion points for this issue.
     Goldman, meanwhile, said the Board of Selectmen uses a "double standard" for making judgments on what articles to consider favorably at Town Meeting, and said the selectmen and the Advisory Committee made "weak arguments" for suggesting no action on his resolution.
     "There is no crisis going on right now ... in regard to corporal punishment," said Ronny Sydney, member of the Advisory Committee. "I don't think this is an issue that is very current or a problem in the town of Brookline."
     But Goldman maintained that any instance of corporal punishment justifies a call to action.
     "I'm not saying this happens every day, but if it happens once, it's once too many. I think by passing this, we're already making a very strong statement to the community and outside Brookline that this is, corporal punishment, is something we don't encourage, in fact discourage and suggest other alternatives," Goldman said.
     During a phone interview Friday, Goldman said he might champion another children's rights issue, but said he did not intend to return to Town Meeting.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: nannystate
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Misleading headline. This isn't a ban, it's a symbolism-over-substance resolution telling parents how they ought to raise their kids.

No surprise that this comes from Massachusetts. My sympathies to fellow FReepers who live there.

Lotsa read meat in this one. Have at it!

1 posted on 06/03/2005 6:25:19 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

These people need dope-slaps.


2 posted on 06/03/2005 6:27:53 AM PDT by theDentist (The Dems are putting all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
stickers that read, "Kids' Safe Zone," with a no-spanking symbol.

Okay ... so what does the "no-spanking symbol" look like?

3 posted on 06/03/2005 6:33:55 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Wielder of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your heart, honey!")
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

The state and local governments want to tell you how to raise and discipline your kids and then want to hold you accountable if the kid screws up. maybe the parents should just pack the kids clothes up and take them all to city hall at the same time and tell the mayor to raise them.


4 posted on 06/03/2005 6:34:36 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative

And still they wonder what's wrong with our youth today, teen pregnancies, school shootings, underage drinking, kids running wild, kids killing kids, grandparents, parents, etc., etc., etc.

Duh!


5 posted on 06/03/2005 6:41:10 AM PDT by TexasTaysor
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To: Dashing Dasher; pissant; thag; teenyelliott

No spanking. Dasher, you dominatrix business in Massachusetts will certainly suffer.


6 posted on 06/03/2005 6:41:49 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Americanexpat

I'd like to interview the aged parents of the council members who argued for and passed this nonsense. I think they didn't spank their children enough. Next, it will be illegal to spank children within the city limits and children will be dropping dimes on their parents.


7 posted on 06/03/2005 6:42:07 AM PDT by clarissaexplainsitall (stewed tomatoes are just plain gross)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; thag; Skooz

For Thag's and Skooz's sake, I think they are limiting this prohibition to kids.


8 posted on 06/03/2005 6:43:14 AM PDT by pissant (forget the darn fish!)
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To: Dashing Dasher; pissant; thag; teenyelliott

*thwack* *thwack*

Thag reporting for spanking, ma'am!

*thwack* *thwack*


9 posted on 06/03/2005 6:43:23 AM PDT by thag (Cuffs and leather and a whip that stings-These are a few of my favorite things.........)
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To: pissant; thag; Skooz

WE are all bad kids at heart. Where do you think the spanking fetish starts from?


10 posted on 06/03/2005 6:47:55 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Goldman, who has no children,

What a surprise.....it's funny how those who have no experience are the ones who tell us how to do it.
11 posted on 06/03/2005 6:49:56 AM PDT by TexasTaysor
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To: clarissaexplainsitall
Reminds me of an incident with my oldest boy. I walked into the house from work one evening and his was lipping off at my wife. I told him to knock it off and the next time he talked to his mother that way I would whip his butt. He told me I better not touch him his teacher had told him he had rights and if I touched him he would call the cops.

I gave him good reason to make the call, but he never did. First and last time I had to spank him.
12 posted on 06/03/2005 6:50:44 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: theDentist

Okay...What is it about Yankees that drives them to try to tell everyone else how to run their lives? They screwed up their own backyard and made it a de facto communist state, now they are branching out to the south and midwest. I really do not get it!


13 posted on 06/03/2005 6:54:44 AM PDT by gr8eman (I think...therefore I am...a capitalist!)
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To: theDentist

Okay...What is it about Yankees that drives them to try to tell everyone else how to run their lives? They screwed up their own backyard and made it a de facto communist state, now they are branching out to the south and midwest. I really do not get it!


14 posted on 06/03/2005 6:55:03 AM PDT by gr8eman (I think...therefore I am...a capitalist!)
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To: pissant

Thank goodness.

Some pleasures just do NOT need to be regulated.


15 posted on 06/03/2005 7:06:49 AM PDT by Skooz (If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
WE are all bad kids at heart. Where do you think the spanking fetish starts from?

And I've been a bad boy. A very bad boy.

16 posted on 06/03/2005 7:07:25 AM PDT by Skooz (If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
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To: Skooz
"And I've been a bad boy. A very bad boy."
17 posted on 06/03/2005 7:13:11 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Tax-chick

I hear it was designed by Wacko Jacko.


18 posted on 06/03/2005 7:14:30 AM PDT by kx9088
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To: Skooz
"And I've been a bad boy. A very bad boy."

I'll bet you have!! =:~)

19 posted on 06/03/2005 7:14:41 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Actually, I have been remarkably good lately. But, only be "bad" merits a spanking.


20 posted on 06/03/2005 7:16:25 AM PDT by Skooz (If everyone knew everything about everyone, no one would have anything to do with anyone)
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