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Yes, Americans will Do Those Jobs
boblonsberry.com ^ | 06/03/05 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 06/03/2005 6:12:35 AM PDT by shortstop

Can we just put this lie to rest once and for all?

I'm talking about that nonsense you hear whenever anybody discusses illegal immigration.

The one about how we need illegal aliens because they do the jobs that Americans won't. The variation on it is the racist tripe from the Mexican president that illegal aliens do jobs that not even black Americans will do.

It's all nonsense.

Americans would gladly do those jobs -- if the bosses weren't crooks.

And anybody who employs an illegal alien is a crook. And a traitor and a backstabber.

The illegals are one type of problem, the people who employ them are another. One group should be sent back to Mexico, the other should be sent to jail.

I'm not kidding. The damage done to American strength and American prosperity by the combination of illegal workers and illegal bosses is incalculable. The love of money and the putting of profit over patriotism is a glaring moral indictment of the people who hire illegal aliens.

But back to the jobs Americans won't do.

That theory ignores the realities of the free market. It denies the fundamental nature of supply and demand.

Here's an example. Let's say I've got a pile of dog crap I want cleaned up. Let's say I'm willing to pay somebody to clean that pile of dog crap up for me.

Now, cleaning up dog crap is not a particularly pleasant thing. It tends to stink, and you have to bend over, and it's gross and revolting.

People don't like doing it.

But you want to hire it done. So let's say you stand there with a dollar in your hand and say that you'll pay somebody a dollar to clean up the dog crap.

Well, in all likelihood, people are going to walk right on by. You can wave your buck until the cows come home and nobody's going to bite.

That's because the free market is at work. The market is determing the worth of a product or service -- picking up dog crap -- and weighing it against the available wage. Simply put, it's not worth it to people to mess with stinky crap for a dollar.

So how do you respond to it?

Well, in the free-market world, you up the ante. You offer two dollars for the job. And if that doesn't get any takers you raise it to $3, or $5 or $10. At some point, somebody will agree to your terms and you will give them the money and they will clean up your dog crap.

That's the free market. That's the capitalism beneath all economic freedom. People will do anything, you just have to pay them enough. That's how the price of labor is set, just as the price of any other commodity or product is set. It all comes down to what the market will bear.

And the reason that illegal aliens flock to jobs Americans seem to ignore is because the employers are violating not just the laws of our land, but the laws and morality of the free market. Through a willingness to work below legal and prevailing wages, and because many employers pay them under the table, avoiding taxes and insurance, the cost of illegal labor is substantially below what the free market would price it at.

It becomes an odd shell game in which the real costs of employing illegal aliens is borne not by the employer, but by society.The jobs pay below the market level, and are below what is necessary to support a family. Welfare and free services and unpaid-for health care make up the difference -- with every dollar coming out of the taxpayer or the consumer's pocket.

The reason Americans don't take those jobs is because the employers won't let them. The employers do better hiring illegals, ending up with less expensive labor and less obligation to employees.

Unfortunately, it also guts our country, our security and our economy.

But people will take those jobs. They will gladly take them.

But they will have to pay what the market demands. They will have to pay legally. They will have to pay honestly.

They will have to give up the crutch of illegal labor. They will have to be capitalists, not crooks.

Americans will pick lettuce and fry fries and clean toilets and pave roads and milk cows.

You just have to pay them what the work is truly worth.


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To: AmericanChef
"I'm going to need employees eventually, and I dread it like nothing else; the taxes, paperwork, etc., isn't something to look forward to"

All part of the joys of entrepreneurship. Get a bookkeeper and go sailing. :>

41 posted on 06/03/2005 7:50:35 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: shortstop

Some very good points I've not considered before. Thanks for the perspective.


42 posted on 06/03/2005 7:52:15 AM PDT by Eastbound (Jacked out since 3/31/05)
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To: John Filson
Whatever. You're a traitorous sellout, too. I hope it pays you well

Put a Mother Russia in there, and we got a slogan from the bolshivieks.

43 posted on 06/03/2005 7:54:23 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: shortstop; HiJinx; SheLion; OXENinFLA

BTTT


44 posted on 06/03/2005 7:57:21 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: Dane

Another advocate of corporate welfare, I see. Isn't that what national socialism was all about?


45 posted on 06/03/2005 7:59:25 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: shortstop
I was at the Home Depot in Athens Ga. yesterday.This appears to be where the local day labor pool hangs out.On a rainy day at 10am there were at least 40 guys scattered around available for work.I noticed at least 5 or six "white guys" in the group that looked like they were no stranger to work.The rest were Hispanic.First time I have seen that.These day labor pools are always 100% Hispanic.

I think this actually backs up both sides of the debate.The unskilled "native Americans" have no intrest in working for $10 per hour or they would be out their.The economy is tightning enough that some folks that have lost regular jobs are willing to join these labor pools.
46 posted on 06/03/2005 7:59:38 AM PDT by Blessed
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To: John Filson
Another advocate of corporate welfare, I see. Isn't that what national socialism was all about?

Uh I'm not for corporate welfare or personal govt. welfare.

Nice try at deflection though.

47 posted on 06/03/2005 8:01:38 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: John Filson

This kind of talk just makes the hair stand up on the back of thier heads. They must be thinking of all the illegal aliens that work for them, and how many years they would get in the pokey if anyone told.


48 posted on 06/03/2005 8:02:25 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Dane
No deflection there. You want American government to support multinational business by importing cheap labor despite the negative costs associated with loss of domestic jobs and cultural decline. You're a sellout. Admit it. Are you paid to advocate these destructive positions here?
49 posted on 06/03/2005 8:04:05 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: Blessed
The unskilled "native Americans" have no intrest in working for $10 per hour or they would be out their.The economy is tightning enough that some folks that have lost regular jobs are willing to join these labor pool

Or maybe that these guys are learning that their union bosses are fleecing them, and going for the $24.50 and hr. job, for a good days work and no union dues to prop up corrupt unions taken out.

The 35-year-old Osorio is one of tens of thousands of Hispanic construction workers who have been pouring the concrete and erecting the steel beams of the scores of buildings going up around the region.

(snip)

Osorio came here illegally 13 years ago, and his first job was pulling weeds. Now he is here legally and makes $24.05 an hour

Link

50 posted on 06/03/2005 8:07:58 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Regulator

Then why aren't you out picking melons?


51 posted on 06/03/2005 8:09:41 AM PDT by Bommer
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To: John Filson
No deflection there. You want American government to support multinational business by importing cheap labor despite the negative costs associated with loss of domestic jobs and cultural decline. You're a sellout. Admit it. Are you paid to advocate these destructive positions here?

See reply #50 of this thread.

JMO, it seems you want the US government to support corrupt labor unions.

52 posted on 06/03/2005 8:09:48 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: John Filson
Whatever. You're a traitorous sellout, too. I hope it pays you well.

Oh employers are just drooling at the mouth to hire you ...

53 posted on 06/03/2005 8:12:31 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: JasonC
But the housewife can walk by the $5 head of lettuce at the supermarket, too.

I keep hearing about this mythical $5 lettuce but I've never seen anything to substantiate the claim that produce prices would skyrocket if farm wages were increased. IMHO, the end-of-season manual labor almost has to be one of the smaller components of total production cost.

Do you happen to have a link that says otherwise?

54 posted on 06/03/2005 8:13:03 AM PDT by Bob
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To: shortstop

Excellent article. BTTT.


55 posted on 06/03/2005 8:17:09 AM PDT by Quick1
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To: Dane
JMO, it seems you want the US government to support corrupt labor unions.

Propaganda.

56 posted on 06/03/2005 8:19:47 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: John Filson
Propaganda.

Whatever newbie union troll.

57 posted on 06/03/2005 8:22:06 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Curious that the open borders/illegal immigration advocate crowd is resorting to the "union activist" label for anyone who dares to question the wisdom of their agitprop. It's transparent, though. You want to replace native born Americans with immigrants and you'll stop at nothing to accomplish your goals. The question is why? What's in it for you? What do you get in exchange for taking this angle on public forums? How does illegal immigration help you personally?


58 posted on 06/03/2005 8:25:54 AM PDT by John Filson
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To: Bob
Cost of Production of EggPlant Link
59 posted on 06/03/2005 8:28:52 AM PDT by austinite
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To: John Filson
Curious that the open borders/illegal immigration advocate crowd is resorting to the "union activist" label for anyone who dares to question the wisdom of their agitprop. It's transparent, though. You want to replace native born Americans with immigrants and you'll stop at nothing to accomplish your goals. The question is why? What's in it for you? What do you get in exchange for taking this angle on public forums? How does illegal immigration help you personally?

Blah, blah, blah, same old tired rants.

Gee, I guess it would never occur to you that those "evil" contractors, are just looking for good, reliable, and well paid work, to put up buildings, and that there is no nefarious conspiracy going on.

And to answer, I am not involved in any way with the contracting business or an employee of any immigration lobbying group.

Just a poster on an internet forum, giving my opinion, which seems to be a crime to you.

60 posted on 06/03/2005 8:32:40 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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