What did W. Mark Felt know, and when did he know it?- (Felt might be an imposter,taking the fall)

JEWISH WORLD REVIEW.COM ^ | JUNE 2, 2005 | KEITH OLBERMANN

[CHARLITE]

Deep Throat is Mark Felt, the former deputy associate director of the FBI — except for the parts of Deep Throat that clearly aren't Mark Felt, like all the stuff Throat supposedly confirmed after Felt left the FBI in June, 1973.

Well, that's going to be something of a problem, isn't it?

Dean analyzed the meetings Woodward describes in All The Presidents' Men and methodically analyzes what others have glossed over. For Woodward's version to be literally correct, his source had to be able to have access to specific information (and disinformation — Dean estimated last night that half of what Throat told Woodward was materially wrong) at specific times. He also had to be physically in Washington to conduct the meetings Woodward wrote about in the book, which were presumably relied upon in the vital day-to-day coverage he and Bernstein wrote for the Post in 1972, 1973, and 1974.

For us, he offered the startling fact that possibly the most vital information Throat gave Woodward — that there were "erasures" on at least one of the surreptitious tapes of Richard Nixon's Oval Office conversations (the infamous "18 minute gap") — was dispensed in November, 1973 — nearly five months after Felt had left his position in the FBI.

So where did Felt-Throat get that information? Gossip? Where from?

"How is he going to explain Felt having some of the information he had," Dean continued, "when it just isn't in the realm of possibility that he had access to it, even as third or fourth hand hearsay?"

Dean's e-book for Salon three years ago was called Unmasking Deep Throat, and unlike all the other attempts to identify Throat, it is meticulous and scholarly.

To paraphrase [Senator] Baker, "What did Deep Throat know and when did he know it?"

[Southack]

"He and John Dean (yes, John Dean!) are tearing Felt and Woodward and Bernstein apart."

The whole Watergate myth is slowly falling apart...primarily because the Watergate reporting of the 1970's doesn't work with Felt as Deep Throat.

Olberman and Dean have correctly figured out that Felt wasn't in a position to know about the gaps on Nixon's tapes in November of 1973 (something that FR has been pointing out since Felt was ID'd), for instance...if for nothing else because Felt had left the FBI back in June, and may not have even been in Washington, D.C. at that point.

And that makes it doubly difficult to explain Deep Throat's alledged 1974 meetings in D.C.

There's no real way to save Woodward and Bernstein's myth now, either. Felt wasn't a chain smoker in 1973 (he had quit in 1946). He drank martinis, not scotch. He could arrest people. He wasn't powerless. He wasn't a White House insider. He wasn't an idealist, either. Felt was a pro-Hoover man who brought Nixon down because Nixon passed Felt up for the top FBI post.

Felt was *convicted* of ordering illegal break-ins, himself. Felt has now admitted illegally leaking FBI file contents. He leaked Spiro Agnew grand jury information illegally. Felt violated his oath of office with his personal vendetta against Nixon, too.

Lets also not forget that Felt lied, lied, and lied again...as Did Woodward and Bernstein.

Oh, W&B said that Deep Throat hated the telephone, too. That's yet another lie. Felt was one of the *few* FBI agents willing to take reporters' phone calls. He had leaked before. He was a gossip. He *loved* the telephone.

But W&B said otherwise in all of the above cases.

So slowly their myth melts away...

[johnb838]

Yeah, I was wondering that too... why now, after all these years? It's really too late to cash in with a book, people barely remember, as much as the talkies are trying to drum up interest, it's a distant historical relic. Some oral historian should try to document what he knows, but...

Good question.

[Howlin]

Very astute on your part. Man, it was all right there in front of us, wasn't it?

[Southack]

"I think Dean had his heart set on it being a Nixon insider like Haig or Buchanan and can't stand that it's Felt. Olbermann will follow Dean's lead."

You're making it personal...making it about Dean's "Feelings."

That's not it; it's technical. If you weren't a White House insider...someone so close to Nixon that you knew *everything*, then you wouldn't know about the gaps on Nixon's tapes.

That was the shocker that Woodward and Bernstein broke in their November 8, 1973 Washington Post story. The White House attorney's didn't even discover those gaps on the tapes (there were thousands of hours of recordings to hear) until November 14, and that was after being accused of covering them up by the Washington Post the week before.

You have to actually *listen* to all of those tapes to discover that there were some gaps. To do that, you have to have access to those tapes...something that no one but White House attorneys and Nixon's personal insiders could do prior to sometime around November 21.

...And that rules out known FBI leaker (he leaked Spiro Agnew Grand Jury info) Felt, the FBI's White House liasson (i.e. the person who tells the entire FBI everything that the White House tells him...as his official position).

You might as well give full access to the secret tapes to a talk show gossip host as to give it to a liasson...moreover, Felt wasn't even working in Washington, D.C. that November...he had left the FBI back in June.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: W&B's myth doesn't work with Felt as Deep Throat.

We're going to be able to skewer the WaPost and other liberal rags time and again as this story unfolds...because they can't keep up their old charade now that Deep Throat has a name.

[cyncooper]

Olberman and Dean have correctly figured out that Felt wasn't in a position to know about the gaps on Nixon's tapes in November of 1973

One of the guests on Hardball last night---I want to say the co-author of Felt's book, but I'm not positive, I was preparing dinner and so was listening but not with full attention or note taking---stated that Felt had a source in the WH and then he, Felt, in turn, would share the info with Woodward.

Dean and Olbermann remain clymers.

I'll see if I can find the transcript...

Transcript not up yet (the whole thing would make an interesting read, starting with Leslie "I was dating Bob at the time" Stahl's appearance), but video of the report by Shuster is up. I just watched it and the co-author names John Ehrlichman as the source who was inside the WH who would tell Felt who then told Woodward.

MSNBC page with link to video

[Southack]

"Was Nixon expressing surprise because he thought Hoover was an anti-Semite?"

Hoover was a spy's spy. He wouldn't be expected to place anyone who might have dual loyalties or dual agenda's in an FBI top spot.

Needless to say, Felt was loyal to Hoover...and Felt isn't Jewish, either. In fact, since Nixon and his White House insiders *KNEW* they were being recorded, they may have used various codes to communicate, such as "Catholic" for loyal Nixonite and "Bay of Pigs" for JFK assasination information.

Keep in mind that Nixon fingered Felt as Deep Throat...and that Nixon also knew Felt wasn't Jewish. Then go back and re-read the transcript.

[cyncooper]

why now, after all these years?

That has been addressed ad nauseum since the moment the revelation was made. The Felts have been looking at avenues to come forward with this for a couple years. There is nothing to the timing except they finally made a decision how and with whom and the Vanity Fair piece then was completed.

[agincourt1415]

It could be that Dean's hands are dirty and Dean himself could have ordered the break in at Watergate, at least thats one theory out of "Silent Coup".

[cyncooper]

You're making it personal...making it about Dean's "Feelings."

No, I'm not making it personal. I'm observiing astutely and quite correctly exactly what type of person Dean is.

What they all are.

Don't ever address me as if I am a shallow and emotionally guided thinker.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Most interesting!

[cyncooper]

Make sure to see my post #65...

[Southack]

"In any case, whether Felt was Deep Throat or not, some key questions about Watergate remain unanswered, particularly about the burglary itself..."

There were *FOUR* (4) break-ins.

The first was the burglary of Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office. Ellsberg had leaked the Pentagon Papers, a think tank report on the Vietnam War...something that may be tied to illegal FBI involvement.

The other 3 break-in's were not burglarlies, but rather, were wire-tapping operations at the Democrats' Washington, D.C. brothel in the Watergate hotel. One obvious question is *WHY* would anyone need 3 break-ins for a wire-tapping op?! Another obvious question is *WHY* would landslide Nixon want to spy on the McGovernite losers at the Watergate brothel.

[Southack]

"Felt had a source in the WH and then he, Felt, in turn, would share the info with Woodward."

That would make Deep Throat a gossip dealing in hearsay...blowing away the myth that Woodward and Bernstein created about Deep Throat.

W&B's Deep Throat myth simply doesn't work with *Felt* as DT. The Source had to be someone else...someone still unnamed.

[Grampa Dave]

"I've said it before and I'll say it again: W&B's myth doesn't work with Felt as Deep Throat.

"We're going to be able to skewer the WaPost and other liberal rags time and again as this story unfolds...because they can't keep up their old charade now that Deep Throat has a name."

We are pleased to announce the Summertime Skewering and Grilling of the Watergate phonies has officially started on Free Republic.

Grab a Coke, a good Beer or a glass of California wine and sit back watch the liberals lose it this summer now that their beloved Deepthroat has outed himself. Skewering and Grilling the lying libs will run 24/7 on Free Republic.

Relax and enjoy watching the foundation of the Rat Party enter meltdown this summer.

[cyncooper]

W&B's Deep Throat myth simply doesn't work with *Felt* as DT.

It does work as many have speculated Felt was exactly that over the years. He always was at the top of the list.

I agree W&B built up a myth and misrepresented qualities about the source, but you'll need to accept that Felt is the guy.

[Southack]

"It does work as many have speculated Felt was exactly that over the years. He always was at the top of the list. I agree W&B built up a myth and misrepresented qualities about the source, but you'll need to accept that Felt is the guy."

W&B say that Felt is DT, and that's fine by me...but now they can't explain how Felt gained technical access to DT's information.

Thus, the legend of Deep Throat is going to be exposed as a fraud.

...And *that*, my friend, makes me giddy.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

While searching on Ehrlichman, in indirect fashion, came across this:

Report: Tapes show Nixon ordered break-ins

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Report: Tapes show Nixon ordered break-ins

October 26, 1997
Web posted at: 4:29 p.m. EST (2129 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Former President Richard Nixon ordered his advisers to dig up dirt on the Democrats and commit two break-ins to go after enemies, Newsweek magazine reports in its latest edition.

The report was based on White House tapes transcribed for the first time by Newsweek and The Washington Post.

In its November 3 issue, Newsweek reports the tapes show Nixon wanted to smear past Democratic presidents and try to find documents that would make President Franklin D. Roosevelt look responsible for the success of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941.

"We're gonna expose, God, Pearl Harbor," Nixon said.

The magazine reports Nixon wanted government files ransacked to find anything that could be leaked to smear Democrats.

Nixon was certain there were untold stories about the Bay of Pigs incident and the Kennedy administration's 1962 Cuban missile crisis and brushes with nuclear war over Berlin in 1961.

To get those documents, Nixon would have to break into the National Archives. The magazine reports that the tapes show Nixon aide John Ehrlichman proposing to send "the archivist out of town for awhile," then photographing the documents and resealing them.

"There are ways to do that?" asked Nixon. "Yes," replied Ehrlichman, "and nobody can tell we've been in there."

The tapes were recorded in the White House in June and July of 1971, after the publication of the Pentagon Papers in The New York Times.

Nixon wanted to use the media to "destroy" the leaker of the papers, Daniel Ellsberg, a former Defense Department official. Nixon believed that an Ellsberg conspiracy was being run out of the Brookings Institute.

"I want a break-in," ordered Nixon on June 30, according to the tapes transcribed by the magazine. "Get it done. ... I want the Brookings safe cleaned out. And have it cleaned out in a way that makes somebody else look bad."

Other excerpts from the tapes reported by Newsweek:

• Nixon wanted the Internal Revenue Service to "go after a couple of media people ... Dan Schorr (then of CBS, later with CNN and now NPR), Mary McGrory (then of the Washington Star)."

  The Los Angeles Times publisher back then, Otis Chandler, was mentioned too. "I want him checked out with regard to his gardener, I understand he's a wetback."

• On September 13, 1971, Nixon ordered aide H.R. Haldeman to have the tax men go after prominent Democratic campaign donors.

  "Please get me the name of the Jews. You know, " said Nixon, "the big Jewish contributors of the Democrats."

• Nixon wanted to exploit Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy's fatal car accident at Chappaquiddick in 1969 by making an advertisement showing a picture of Kennedy with the caption, "Would you ride in a car with this man?"

 

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[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The report was based on White House tapes transcribed for the first time by Newsweek and The Washington Post.

Hmmm!!!

Did anyone other than, Newsweek and The Washington Post ever transcribe the White House tapes?

[Mo1]

Grab a Coke, a good Beer or a glass of California wine and sit back watch the liberals lose it this summer now that their beloved Deepthroat has outed himself. Skewering and Grilling the lying libs will run 24/7 on Free Republic

It's gonna be fun to watch .. because non of this is adding up

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Another obvious question is *WHY* would landslide Nixon want to spy on the McGovernite losers at the Watergate brothel.

See post #77!