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Brown Recluse Spider in Northern Virginia? (vanity)
myself | 6/1/2005 | Pyro7480

Posted on 06/01/2005 7:17:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480

I share a duplex house with two other people. My room is the basement, while the other two live in rooms on the second floor. We share the living room, dining room, and kitchen on the first floor. Our house is just outside the DC Beltway in northern Virginia, south of Alexandria.

On Sunday, one of my roommates was apparently bitten by a brown recluse spider. She didn't get it looked at immediately, since she thought it was just a really bad pimple. By yesterday, however, it was quite apparent that something was wrong. She went to a doctor, and the diagnosis was confirmed, that she was bitten by a brown recluse. The doctor told her that they get a bunch of these in the summer months in the area.

I was under the impression that the brown recluse was only found in the south central region of the United States. Are they now prevalent enough in Virginia to cause the doctor to say such a thing? It doesn't make sense to me that she was bitten, most likely in her room on the second floor, while I haven't even seen anything that looks like a brown recluse spider in my basement room. You would think that something like that would more likely get into a basement than into a second floor room.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: brownrecluse; spider; virginia
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To: Phantom Lord

I survived a black widow bite.

Nasty experience. Very bad...


41 posted on 06/01/2005 7:28:34 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: dead

According to what I read at Ohio States website (I just googled Brown Recluse Spider), some people show no reaction at all, some show a drastic reaction. It depends on how much venom is involved and how sensitive the person is.

Personally, I was bit by a black widow when I was in the Air Force. Didn't even realize it until the next day, and all I had was some redness and swelling at the bite.


42 posted on 06/01/2005 7:28:56 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob (The Crew Chief's Toolbox: A roll around cabinet full of specialists.)
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To: AppyPappy
Just bugbomb the house.

But remember to seal your food in trash bags, put out any pilot lights, and use fewer than 30 cans.

43 posted on 06/01/2005 7:29:11 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (I'm sick and tired of being sicked and tired!)
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To: dead

Sometimes there is a "dry bite" where no venom was injected. Then you also have people who react very badly and people who react very well to the bites.

I had a bad bite about 6 years ago and was able to fight it off after a week. The affected area was around an 8" diameter and about 10 degrees hotter than the rest of my body at the worst. Luckily my immune system kicked in high gear around day five and two days later it had shrunk to the point that the doctor knew I would be OK. I have only a small scar (about the size of a chicken pox scar) left on my arm. On the other hand, a man I know was bitten on the leg and lost a golf ball size hunk of flesh from it. (Ironic since he had been a missionary in Africa for 30+ years and had avoided all sorts of deadly creatures there. Moves to Springfield MO and gets bitten by a brown recluse within a week.)

There is no anti-venom nor treatment.


44 posted on 06/01/2005 7:29:47 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: TexasCajun
Go here if you dare... Nasty results for sure...
45 posted on 06/01/2005 7:29:59 AM PDT by kAcknor (That's my version of it anyway....)
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To: Pyro7480

Here's some info for you.

http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2061.html


46 posted on 06/01/2005 7:30:18 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Until the borders are closed there is NO security. Get Prepared. Stay Prepared.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
>Looks like they're moving into Northern VA


Oh-oh. "Areas
of Expansion!" They're growing!
Damn global warming . . .

47 posted on 06/01/2005 7:30:32 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: Pyro7480
However, I wouldn't stress too much over them

Let me clarify - I meant that in a relative sense. They're not to be trifled with, but of the bite victims I've personally known, the brown recluse victims have all only suffered minor tissue damage. The black widow victims have nearly died. YSMV. (Your Symptoms May Vary).
48 posted on 06/01/2005 7:30:50 AM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: Pyro7480
They're not only poisonous, but very aggressive as well. Personally, I'd burn the house down, salt the earth and move! But then, I really hate spiders, so I guess I'm being less than objective ;o)

Seriously, though, I would at least call an exterminator and see what they can do for you. The biggest problem, from what I've read, is creating an environment in which they (the spiders) don't find good places to hide/breed. Oh, and always check your shoes before putting them on...
49 posted on 06/01/2005 7:31:04 AM PDT by LIConFem (Mein Luftkissenboot ist mit Aalen voll.)
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To: Pyro7480
VACUUM YOUR HOUSE- And keep the vacuum handy. Whenever I see anything with wings or a spider I just vacuum the sucker up. BUT VACUUM every corner!
50 posted on 06/01/2005 7:31:07 AM PDT by LauraleeBraswell (I will never again read another thing by Christopher Hitchens!)
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To: Phantom Lord

Ugh - no pizza for me today!

This whole thread makes me want to bug bomb my house repeatedly, then get some of those electronic insect repellers that plug in the wall. And I haven't even seen any recluse spiders - but here in Texas, you know they're there, watching you...


51 posted on 06/01/2005 7:31:28 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Pyro7480

HMMMMM This is new....

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Forest/2021/recluse/intro.html

The etiology is the powerful, vasoconstricting properties of the venom, as the mechanism of necrotic arachnidism, which causes the smail arteries to spasm with resultant loss of blood supply to the bite area. This sets up a cycle of ulceration and tissue loss through ischemia and gangrene. Systemic medication alone is unable to penetrate the lesion because of the barrier zone produced by the spastic occlusion of the arteries.

However...a nitroglycerin patch can penetrate through the skin, into the interstitial fluid and into the capillaries, rapidly dilating the vessels. This is evidenced by the quick onset of a nitroglycerin headache as circulation into the occluded area is re-established from the edges inward. The pathologic process ceases and healing begins. When a nitro patch is administered early, as in the first 48 hours, no lesion ever develops! Delay treatment three to four weeks and a 5 cm ulcer will develop, requiring three months of treatment with the nitroglycerin patches. Even with delayed treatment, however, the degenerative process is reversed. The body heals itself. There is no need for surgery with its debilitating effects, potential complications and severe scarring.


52 posted on 06/01/2005 7:31:36 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (Booo Hooo Hooo ... The new liberal battle cry!)
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To: Pyro7480

There is a product used by exterminators called CB-80 that you can sometimes find in wildlife management/farming supply catalogs and websites. It's a fine particulate fog that gets in all the nooks and crannies that these little buggers hide. Wear a mask or respirator, fog the whole place, and leave for the day.


53 posted on 06/01/2005 7:32:16 AM PDT by DancesWithTrout
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To: Socratic
they do live further North than many people suspect.

Perhaps we stumbled upon the one and only good thing about the Northeast........they don't live there.

54 posted on 06/01/2005 7:32:21 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Pyro7480
Yes. If you don't feel you can do it yourself adequately via bug bombs, spray etc. I would strongly recommend shelling out the $ for an exterminator. Brown recluse spider bites are extremely dangerous and painful. Left untreated, the wound will get worse. Much worse. I've seen people spend weeks in hospitals undergoing very aggressive treatment to stop the flesh rot. Left untreated, it's easy to lose a limb forced by necessary amputation.

One thing of note - brown recluses are apparently attracted to the smell of a previously bitten area, and may come to the infected site and bite it again. I know of one woman that was bitten by a brown recluse while putting her shoe on, and one week later was bitten again in the same wounded area. The rotting flesh apparently attracted another brown recluse to the same wound. I'm not making this stuff up. Don't mess around with a brown recluse infestation. Kill the suckers.

55 posted on 06/01/2005 7:32:58 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (Excrementum Occurum)
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To: Pyro7480

Just in the South? Not so. A few years back my
daughter was bitten by a Brown Recluse and she
runs a horse boarding farm just above the Illinois/
Wisconsin border!
It was a very bad infection that required massive
doses of antibiotics and left her ankle permanently
scarred and looking bad for well over a year. She
was lucky she finally went to the doctor. They had
to run tests on some of the drainage/tissue to
determine just what it was. But the lab report
came back Brown Recluse. It took months to get it
under control and the whole event was very painful.

How to avoid such a bite? Wear long pants and
keep them tight around your ankles with your
socks pulled up over the pants. DON'T go out
there with sandals and bare legs! And if you're
working with tall grass or hay bundles, wear gloves
and long sleeves that protect your upper arms as
well. That said, you can still get bit by just
leaning against an old tree stump, fence, or even
scraping your leg while crossing a rotting log.
It's just one of those things for which you have
to rely somewhat on your guardian angel!


56 posted on 06/01/2005 7:33:46 AM PDT by Grendel9 (uick)
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To: Pyro7480

Virginia Cooperative Extension on Brown Recluse

http://www.ext.vt.edu/departments/entomology/factsheets/brownrec.html

They are all around S. Texas.


57 posted on 06/01/2005 7:34:14 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Remember, this is only a temporary exile!)
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To: Pyro7480

A friend of mine was bitten here in St. Louis years ago. It was very, very bad.


58 posted on 06/01/2005 7:35:26 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
The affected area was around an 8" diameter and about 10 degrees hotter than the rest of my body at the worst. Luckily my immune system kicked in high gear around day five and two days later it had shrunk to the point that the doctor knew I would be OK. I have only a small scar (about the size of a chicken pox scar) left on my arm.

Yours sounds like my husbands. He got a headache so bad he almost cried. He was bitten in his recliner. Two times on the face, once on the neck, and twice in the back of his head on the hair line. Some anit-biotics worked on him. Little chicken pox scars are all that remain.

59 posted on 06/01/2005 7:35:59 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Pyro7480

Do call the exterminator. These spiders love to live in stored linens and clothes not dark damp basements.


60 posted on 06/01/2005 7:36:09 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.And we're unlikely to get a look into this t)
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