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U.S. housing boom a bust for many (heh credit wrecks to come)
MSNBC & Washington Post ^ | May 29, 2005 | Michael Powell

Posted on 05/30/2005 6:19:28 AM PDT by Flavius

Edited on 05/30/2005 6:35:29 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

PHILADELPHIA - To walk Thayer Street in northeast Philadelphia is to count, door by door, the economic devastation afflicting a working-class neighborhood. On a single block, 18 of the 42 brick rowhouses have gone into foreclosure in the past three years.

There's Marciela Perez, who fell ill with cancer, lacked health insurance and stopped making mortgage payments. Barrel-chested Richard Hidalgo, who got divorced and could no longer make his monthly nut. And Mike O'Mara, a rawboned and crew-cut truck driver who took on too much debt, lost his job and fell behind on his mortgage.

"Mortgage companies convinced us to refinance, and each time our bill went up," O'Mara said as he surveyed his narrow street from his shaded front porch. "You fall behind and they swoop down on you."

Excerpt msnbc.msn.com


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: default; housing; mortgage; philadelphia; re; realestate
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To: bahblahbah
Our country is screwed because we have idiots who don't know how to manage money borrowing large sums of it.

What about the idiots who are making the loans? Totalitarian government isn't the answer either. The problem is we've already got too much government involvment in housing, lending, and the economy in general. The government's worst sin is dollar policy (manipulation), but the media doesn't cover it, probably because nobody cares.

41 posted on 05/30/2005 7:36:27 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: AmericanChef

Aren't Pulitzers based on word count?


42 posted on 05/30/2005 7:38:39 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: SWake

Did you calculate how quickly you would pay off the house if you left the mortgage payment the same and took the lower interest? When I financed my house, adding about $200 per month halved the term of the mortgage.



Just adding the small next month's principal payment to each monthly payment will pay off a thirty year morgage in fifteen years.


43 posted on 05/30/2005 7:39:24 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: MineralMan

We just did the same exact thing... Sold our Southern California home for an obscene amount of money. Paid off all debts and bought a luxury Condo on the Colorado river for cash with loads of money to spare. The Condo, which we bout 18 months ago, is now worth double what we paid. I'll miss the weather in Southern California, but that's about it. I moved here 15 years ago from NY to get away from the liberal politics and the madding crowds. Well, they've caught right back up to me here in San Diego, so I'm outta here!


44 posted on 05/30/2005 7:39:47 AM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: Kozak
Yup. Life has never been bleaker. All is lost. The sky is falling. We're all gonna die. Our children and grandchildren will not survive either.

Say, you could win elective office in any major city with that attitude, or have a long career in journalism. Yes, the sky has always been falling since the beginning of time, we are stuck in a living Hell that will only get worse, and there is no way out. Other than that, everything is fine.

45 posted on 05/30/2005 7:42:54 AM PDT by speedy
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To: suzyq5558

Your payments are lower, but the amount of money you owe is now larger.


46 posted on 05/30/2005 7:44:12 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Jerry K.
Refinance and you just begin paying more interest again.

Yes, but done correctly, I'll pay less in the long run.

I refinanced a 30 year, 7% mortgage (25 years remaining) with a 15 year, 5.5% mortgage. I shaved 10 years off and my payment stayed the same.

47 posted on 05/30/2005 7:45:00 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: jec41
Just adding the small next month's principal payment to each monthly payment will pay off a thirty year morgage in fifteen years.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I was once warned that if you do not clear it with the mortgage company before sending the payment that it could be applied to the escrow. Not my experience ... I just called and requested the draft be increased.

48 posted on 05/30/2005 7:56:33 AM PDT by SWake (Curator of West Wackistan)
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To: Flavius
It's all about making banking industry happy...

Oh plllease...you sound like the other side. I don't see banks putting guns on people's head to get a loan.

49 posted on 05/30/2005 8:06:14 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: battousai

Another you're a fool for getting an interest only loan person. Believe it or not, for some areas and people, it is the best option.

We just purchased, two months ago, a home outside of Miami. An area that is having huge increases in housing prices. We took out an interest only loan for the entire amount of $223,000. Our payment is under $800 per month. With a payment that low, we are able to send additional money each month towards principle. Usually $300 but we will be increasing that to $500 in the next 6 months. You show me a single conventional mortgage that puts that much into principle right off the bat.

A week ago, a house on my street sold for $265,000. This house is smaller than ours, 1 less bedroom and has none of the upgrades ours has. Already our home has gone up in value. It doesn't hurt that our area is projected to have housing increases of 30-40% this year. We plan on selling this home, taking the proceeds and purchasing another home in two years. On paper, we should walk out of here with at least $100,000 in equity. Not a bad deal for two years.

Not all interest only loans are a bad idea. Depending on the area, the persons plans and needs and their ability to discipline themselves into sending principle payments along with the interest payment a person can do very well.


50 posted on 05/30/2005 8:07:18 AM PDT by Brytani ("Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work - Edison)
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To: Archangelsk
Who have been screwed by Madison Avenue and an addiction to credit. The next circle of hell has been reached with the introduction of paying-the-interest-only mortgages, which is an insiduous way of reintroducing indebtured servitude. Guess debtor prisons are next.

You mean there isn't going to be a "buy one get one" sale? Darn.

51 posted on 05/30/2005 8:09:15 AM PDT by Colorado Buckeye (It's the culture stupid!)
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To: Flavius
took on too much debt, lost his job and fell behind on his mortgage.

The best time to deal with financial trouble is before you get into it. Save first. Put away enough to live on for a year and don't buy anything unecessary until you have at least that much saved.

I understand if you just are not making enough to pay the mortgage but it seems to me that with some income you should be able to at least cover the mortgage and that it should be first priority.

You can eat for pretty darn cheap in this country if you want to. Food should never be an issue. Gasoline, I suppose, could be a problem if you are job hunting.

52 posted on 05/30/2005 8:17:11 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Flavius

This is anecdotal evidence. What is the big picture? The word "many" is the giveaway (as in: "Many find offense with the flesh-colored Crayola" or "Many would be comfortable with the surrender of US sovereignty to the UN"). Seems like lib efforts to trash a healthy economy and, ergo, trash Bush, the ultimate objective.


53 posted on 05/30/2005 8:24:26 AM PDT by Dionysius
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To: battousai
It seems to be aimed at people like those in this article, who are stretched more than their finances should allow, so they take the easy way out with lower monthly payments, but mis the long term implications.

If you are speculating on a house, the ARM will make sense. You actually will have paid in less on payments with the ARM than you would have with the fixed mortgage that is front-end loaded with interest payemnts.

Two things are key though. First, you have to sell the house in a short period of time and the house has to appreciate in value. In California, that is not a problem right now - or at least it has not been. You can flip a house in a year and make 15% to 50%.

If the low monthly payment provided by the ARM makes is possible for you to get in the game, it is fine. But if you are in your house for the long haul, you would be crazy not to lock in these low interest rates for 30 years.

54 posted on 05/30/2005 8:24:53 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: Flavius

I feel sorry for people who spend beyond their means, buy houses they cannot afford and then lose it all. NOT!!!


55 posted on 05/30/2005 8:32:13 AM PDT by petercooper (Put Mark Levin on the Supreme Court.)
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To: wtc911
Why? Unless you have the income and the discipline to pay down the principal by the end of the interest only period taking such a mortgage is a sucker's play

You didn't read my post (to which RightOnline was replying). I stated that the interest only loan can make sense if one is purchasing in a market that is consistently rising, and one KNOWS they will have the house for only a couple of years (e.g. military). In that case, you never get to paying the principal, and you reap a nice profit on the appreciation of the house's value.
56 posted on 05/30/2005 8:33:23 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: petercooper

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"I feel sorry for people who spend beyond their means, buy houses they cannot afford and then lose it all. NOT!!!"




Most personal bankruptcies are precipitated by illness. They lose their job, lose benefits, pay for healthcare with credit cards at 21% interest and any assets wind up with the banks.

There used to be laws against usury and its an idea whose time has come again - especialy with these very low interest rates.


57 posted on 05/30/2005 8:39:23 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: armydoc

"I stated that the interest only loan can make sense if one is purchasing in a market that is consistently rising, and one KNOWS they will have the house for only a couple of years "

Consistently rising?

Where can I get me one of them crystal balls. What about PLUNGING real estate values as in 1991?


58 posted on 05/30/2005 8:42:20 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: expatpat

I dont think so. but i could be wrong as finance isnt my best suite. we refied 80% so to my pea brain thats a smaller amount we now owe?


59 posted on 05/30/2005 9:02:08 AM PDT by suzyq5558 (This space is reserved for the next round of liberal idiocy... there they go again)
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To: SWake
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I was once warned that if you do not clear it with the mortgage company before sending the payment that it could be applied to the escrow. Not my experience .

Some companies will apply it to escrow if you do not designate what is for. However by law, escrow can only have a certain overage and the money must either be returned at the end of the year or applied to the principal. They usually apply it to principal at the end of the year but you will not benefit as much as if it is applied monthly.
60 posted on 05/30/2005 9:02:29 AM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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