History Of Persian Or Paarsi Language

Iranian Journal ^ | 5-24-2005 | Fariborz Rahnamoon

[Ciexyz]

Most interesting. The Farsi language is beautiful, melodic and pleasing to the ear.

[abner]

Ping!
I saw you two having an exchange of sorts this afternoon and thought I would see what you think of this... :-)

[Antoninus]

Thanks for the thread. I never understood why Persia fell to the Arabs. It was the central route in the Silk Trade; infiltration subtle, conversion fatal.

Because the Persians and the Romans had been fighting each other for over 500 years before the Islamaniacs showed up. They had a real slug-fest in the late 6th through early 7th centuries. The Persians sacked the great city of Antioch in 541 AD and wasted the eastern frontier provinces of the empire through the end of the century. In the early 7th century, the Romans finally and utterly defeated the Persians, but exhausted themselves in the process. This created a power vaccuum that was filled by.....the newly Islamicized Arabs who had made a living of playing one side against the other for centuries.

[blam]

"The Persians sacked the great city of Antioch in 541 AD and wasted the eastern frontier provinces of the empire through the end of the century."

Interesting. On or about 540AD is when the Dark Ages started.

[BIGLOOK]

made a living of playing one side against the other

As they do yet!

It's all Constantine's fault!

[Antoninus]

Interesting. On or about 540AD is when the Dark Ages started.

The 540s were a very trying decade for the world in general, and the resurgent Roman Empire in particular. The previous decade had seen the amazing reconquest of Africa and Italy from the Vandals and Goths respectively. However, the Persian King Nushirvan (or Chosroes in Greek) saw the Roman preoccupation with the western provinces as an opportunity to strike in the east. And strike he did, plundering Antioch and marching at will throughout the eastern provinces extorting tribute from all the Roman cities.

In 542, however, cataclysm struck both Persia and the Roman Empire. The first recorded instance of the Black Death made its appearance. For a time, it brought all military activity and commerce to a halt. It was said that so many people died in Constantinople, that they had to pile the bodies in the defensive towers and on the beaches outside the city. Five thousand per day were dying at the height of the plague.

Add to this misery a series of devastating earthquakes, fiscal and military blunders in Italy that allowed the Goths to rebel and undo nearly all of the previous re-conquest, hordes of Bulgars sweeping over the Balkan provices, eccelesiastical controversies subverting the Christian Churches, and it's not surprising that some think of the 540s as the beginning of the Dark Ages. Personally, I peg it at 636 AD--the year that the Byzantines, who had expended huge amounts of resources to finally defeat the Persians, were in turn defeated by an Arab army at Yarmuk, resulting in the permanent loss of Mesopotamia, Palestine, Egypt, North Africa, and most of Syria to the Empire.

[Khashayar]

Thanks but I am sorry to say that I dont argue with Blind people!

[Khashayar]

Persian, English, German... are from the same root!

[nuconvert]

Bump

[blam]

Read this:

The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined?

I believe this was driving all the conflicts you mentioned.

[blam]

Another:

Catastrophic Event Preceded Dark Ages - Scientist

[Antoninus]

I believe this was driving all the conflicts you mentioned.

Very interesting thesis, but I don't buy the connection. I do accept, however, that major volcanic/seismic activity weakened the Roman state during this time. There are dozens of reports of major earthquakes devastating cities during this period. Furthermore, a major volcanic eruption somewhere in the world (like the Krakatoa eruption in the 1880s) could have caused the effects that Cassiodorus, Procopius, and John of Lydus described in this article.

[Antoninus]

LONDON (Reuters) - Something catastrophic occurred on Earth 1,500 years ago that may have led to the Dark Ages and coincided with the end of the Roman Empire and the death of King Arthur, a Northern Ireland scientist said Friday. It could have been a bombardment of cometary debris or the eruption of a super volcano.

The super volcano thesis is a lot more plausible, in my mind. At any rate, the 540s were a difficult time for European civilization.

[blam]

"Very interesting thesis, but I don't buy the connection."

How do you explain the tree-ring data from around the world? Volcano? Where? (none of any significance ocurred during that period)

[blam]

"The super volcano thesis is a lot more plausible, in my mind."

Ice core samples from that period does not record a major volcano.

[Cronos]

It was only Iran that broke the trend and stood against the Arabs and preserved its culture and language and even adopted their own version of Islam by creating Shiaism.

Quite incorrect, Shia'ism was formed when Mo's son-in-law Ali and his grandson Husayn made a bid for power, but lost the civil war to Mo's lieutenants. The lieuntenants followers became Sunnis (now 80% of the ISlamic world while the others became Shias (and shia derivatives like the Ismailis, Allawis, Boris etc.)

[Cronos]

Do note that there was also a large Nestorian Christian church in Persia as well.

[Cronos]

a lot of it is true -- Greek medicine,science, maths etc. owe a lot to their Indian and Irani predecessors

[Cronos]

kind of like why many courts in Europe spoke French.

[Cronos]

At the start of the 7th century, the Byzantines ahd just defeated the Persians to keep peace in what is now Iraq. Both Empires had been at war for centuries and were completely exhausted. Neither expected trouble from the barbarian Arabs and lost because they underestimated the enemy