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Report from Chappaqua: The "Agreement" Hillary has lost the WH, forever, and more, much more..
one man's opinion....

Posted on 05/24/2005 8:09:56 AM PDT by ken5050

The compromise deal announced last night on judicial nominations will one day prove to be the opening strike in one of the greatest political battles ever waged in this country. There is much sadness in Chappaqua, for Hillary Clinton has today realized that any remote chance she ever had a becoming president has now evaporatated forever. And the Democrat party may well be in its final states of existence, its death throes, as we know it today. Follow along, as together we peel back the layers of the political onion to unearth the truth...


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 109th; cantspellfilibuster; filibuster; hillary; thedarkone
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To: 88keys
Who will be? No clear choice yet, but then, W also sort of came out of nowhere...not one of these perpetual presidential candidates, etc. Allen is looking interesting, indeed...isn't he a former governor as well as a Senator? Character being equal, I will always favor a governor over a "tenured member of the August Body"...LOL!
My "better half" said just yesterday that Cheney is the obvious choice...I think Cheney/Allen might be a great pick, and I'll go you one further, b-ville: one term for Cheney, then Allen/Rice in 2012...whaddya think?!

George Allen was governor before he was elected to the Senate. I suspect it might just be Allen/Rice in 2008.

241 posted on 05/24/2005 11:04:47 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Got no Spine? Not one damn dime)
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To: 88keys
Because of his heart problems, I see no way Cheney has a chance of getting the nomination or being elected.

I'd vote for him in a heartbeat ... sorry, I could not resist ... if he did.

242 posted on 05/24/2005 11:05:00 AM PDT by GB
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To: ken5050

Scalia is going to replace Rehnquist and the Dems won't utter a peep, it doesn't change the balance of the court. The hellstorm will come when there's an associate's vacancy, especially if it's Stephens.


243 posted on 05/24/2005 11:06:31 AM PDT by GB
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To: ken5050
McTurd has taken a huge nasty dump all over his potential base and it won't be forgiven. Your thesis gives him support from the religious right and that will not be forthcoming. McTurds supporters are in the mushy middle of the left, not the right. The hard left wants the real thing and won't be converted to McTurd supporters.

McTurd may as well run in the primaries as a democrat, because he won't be getting the nod from Republicans. Heck, even Newt Gingrich would have a better chance then McTurd of getting the Republican nomination. Even if he does convince Rove to help him. The religious right and conservatives in general are washing their hands of mcTurd, he can forget ever getting their support.

No matter what political tricks he, or even the political genius Rove may try. McTurd is finished as a Republican.

244 posted on 05/24/2005 11:08:05 AM PDT by Bullish
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To: Eva

You nailed it, Eva!


245 posted on 05/24/2005 11:08:24 AM PDT by hope
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To: ken5050
"she ever had a becoming president has now evaporatated forever"

I just hate when they use that word, almost as much as when they say orientated. Oy!

246 posted on 05/24/2005 11:11:32 AM PDT by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: ken5050

very funny ken. I don't believe McCain is strongly pro-life. I also think this is a grand conspiracy theory.


247 posted on 05/24/2005 11:16:02 AM PDT by votelife (we need 60 conservative senators)
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To: ken5050

"If he stands up, says the Dems were evil..broke the trust, and pushes, demands the nuclear option...you don't think he locks up the WH nomination..with Jeb as VP and the whole WH team behiund him..?..and as an added bonus, take out Hillary forever.."

well, if he does that then he'd be in a much better position. I wouldn't support him for the nomination, though I would reluctanly vote for him for Pres over Hillary.


248 posted on 05/24/2005 11:19:01 AM PDT by votelife (we need 60 conservative senators)
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To: ken5050
Again, good logic BUT...Rove is the only one who could resurect McLaim AND, he won't!

WHY - Can you say...Cheney/Rice08!?!

249 posted on 05/24/2005 11:19:54 AM PDT by harpu
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To: votelife

and that proves the core of my thesis.......McCain's problem is getting the GOP nomination..this would, IMHO do it..


250 posted on 05/24/2005 11:23:11 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping for discussion! (please direct your comments to ken5050)

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

251 posted on 05/24/2005 11:24:42 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: ken5050

While McCain may be able to win a naitonal election I do not believe that he can get out of the (R) primary process. Me, and a lot of others like me, will never vote for him as the nominee. He may think this is a grand plan to make a move, but I don't belive it will dividends with the base. There are a great many conservatives who simply don't trust him.

I honestly do not believe that Bill Clinton bait and switch politics will win on this side of the aisle.

My 2 cents.

For what it's worth I also don't belive Jeb would ever run with McCain, the Bush rift he (McCain) is developing is growing wider, and I don't think Jeb will cross that line.


252 posted on 05/24/2005 11:24:49 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: ken5050

You sure know how to stir up a hornet's nest, don't ya??!

I like your scenario, but I would prefer McCain/Rice to McCain/Jeb.


253 posted on 05/24/2005 11:25:30 AM PDT by Timeout (Dean & the Bike Path Left: aging anti-warriors who use "summer" as a verb~~Jonah)
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To: ken5050
Your thesis is so breathtakingly universal in its political factoring, that one hardly knows where to start.

Now rest assured, I'm not gonna pile-on a FR buddy-----and I am all for anything that will stifle Her Heinous's ambitions to rule us as absolute monarch.........but.

I would not crown as heroes the same people you crowned, nor would I demonize the same people.

As far as the outcome---a McPain/Bush ticket----it's a shocker, but it might very well be----McPain campaigned for GWB, so the Bushies might owe him something. Could be the payoff.

A lot of attitude readjusting going on up there on Capitol Hill right about now.

254 posted on 05/24/2005 11:25:41 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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To: harpu

and agian..McCain/Jeb in 2008..with Rov ean dW pushing hard..and McCain is a one-term wonder..or even steps down earlier..


255 posted on 05/24/2005 11:26:00 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
He is staunchly pro-life. This has never been questioned.

You obviously weren't paying attention during the 2000 primaries.

If you care to check into it, see specifically the debate transcript exchanges between McCrazy and Alan Keyes.

256 posted on 05/24/2005 11:29:29 AM PDT by Ogie Oglethorpe (The people have spoken...the b*stards!)
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To: ken5050; dubyaismypresident; GB; All
Ken, there's no way the GOP base will ever go crazy for "straight-talkin' Luke Skywalker" McCain (IMHO)!! The mushy middle with the help of the MSM, maybe...and that's to be concerned about...

Speaking of sterotypes...I'm not sure the "world" is ready quite yet for Condi on the "new" ticket; Cheney/Allen followed by Allen/Rice could work, since Allen would be a "known quantity" after four years as Veep (and likely an active veep, if Cheney were Prez)...so you have the "comfort factor" to balance the "risk" of electing the first female and/or black veep...I'm just considering perceptions of the "average voter", whose political savvy is not quite that of the average FReeper...LOL!! And I think Hillary would have problems TOO, being a female (and of course, she's just a hideous person to boot, but aside from that...I doubt she'd have as much support as they think, and it's dishonest to run on Bill's coattails, which is exactly what she'd be doing)...

Vote for Cheney in a heartbeat, indeed! and in a nano-second if he has a good running mate! What do we know, after all, about his medical condition, other than what the media reports? One thing we would certainly know is, he will have an impeccable "back-up plan" in place if he has any concerns about it himself, and isn't he actually younger than John "F-in" Kerry? Cheney's very shrewd, keeps a low profile, and it suits him to play his cards close to his chest...hehehe! But most important, I trust his integrity and judgement...so based on that, if he chooses to run I'm gonna be enthusiastic about electing an "older gentleman"!

257 posted on 05/24/2005 11:29:43 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: Liz

Glad you liked (g) it...Note..a careful read doesn't say I am advocating it..McCain is NOT my first or second choice..I was constructing a scenario that coudl explain what we have seen occur so far. It works within the parameters of what we already know as gospel..Look, the Clinton adminstration created "broken-glass" Republcians..those who would literally crawl over broken glass to vote against Clintons and Dems...now, we may get the "hold-your-nose" Pubbies..those who will vote for McCain in order to defeat Hillary..


258 posted on 05/24/2005 11:31:27 AM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

as ridiculous as your theory sounds, who in early 2001 could have predicted Vietnam and Paul O'Neil would be a MAJOR issue in the 2004 election.

I'd say your theory has some plausibility because McCain is extremely cagey and I would not put anything past him, ie becoming a Dem running as an Independant or doing what you say. Very entertaining article.


259 posted on 05/24/2005 11:31:52 AM PDT by votelife (we need 60 conservative senators)
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To: ken5050

.....and the fact remains.....we still do not have a candidate suiting up for the 2008 race........


260 posted on 05/24/2005 11:34:07 AM PDT by Liz (A society of sheep must, in time, beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenal)
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