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Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate
RedNova ^ | 22 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question - when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe."

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs - based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible."

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures - including Tyrannosaurus Rex - were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology."

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue."

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth," Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years."

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views - and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time."

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off."

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"


This seems to be based on an article in the The Cincinnati Enquirer:
Ministry uses dinosaurs to dispute evolution . From there I got these pics:


Ken Ham poses with dinosaur models in his unfinished $25 million Answers in Genesis museum.


The 95,000-square-foot complex of Answers in Genesis is being built on 50 acres in Boone County. The Creation Museum covers 50,000 square feet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; kenham; museum
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To: Gumlegs
I eagerly clicked on your link because ... well, it's a very misleading title.
481 posted on 05/24/2005 9:45:43 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Yeah. I've seen some of the links you've posted. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

Got any more? The Centerfold site is down.

482 posted on 05/24/2005 9:47:33 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Right Wing Professor

Ping for later


483 posted on 05/24/2005 9:51:18 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Gumlegs
You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.

I can't help it. My ancestors were apes. And I'm out of such links.

484 posted on 05/24/2005 9:54:17 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry
And I'm out of such links.

Post 'em! They must be the missing links we've all been looking for!

485 posted on 05/24/2005 9:57:48 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: PatrickHenry
My ancestors were apes

Mine were single-celled protozoans. We were so primitive, we didn't even have limbs.

I suppose you think you're better than the rest of us, then?

486 posted on 05/24/2005 9:58:48 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
I suppose you think you're better than the rest of us, then?

Certainly! I'm the result of micro-evolution. You, however, are the crude, random consequence of macro-evolution. Disgusting!

487 posted on 05/24/2005 10:02:19 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: Chiapet
But that's exactly what you were doing in your earlier posts regarding the speed of light and the quantum mechanical description of light.

I believe the speed of light to be finite. Einstein assumed there is nothing faster than the speed of light in a vacuum. Is he the last word on the subject? Maybe you think science has all these things settled. I don't, let alone the history of the universe. Fact is, I am a bigger skeptic than certain evolutionist lap dogs who have the history of the universe memorized from their favorite textbooks.

488 posted on 05/24/2005 10:03:18 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: PatrickHenry
You, however, are the crude, random consequence of macro-evolution. Disgusting!

Macroevolution is impossible. I infer that my existence is impossible. Oh well, time for lunch.

489 posted on 05/24/2005 10:04:48 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Gumlegs
You shouldn't generalize from personal experience (or lack thereof).

Shall I generalize from your personal experience instead? Maybe most people you know have spent their life running around taking measurements of the speed of light. Most people I know have gained whatever understanding they have of the speed of light from reading about it instead of direct observation and experimentation.

490 posted on 05/24/2005 10:06:36 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: furball4paws

Hey furball, how's it going (It just doesn't seem proper to say "Furball, What's Up?")?

As you figured out from the subsequent posts, I was kind of grumpy because the usual canards were being rolled out, the standard accusations of a junior high nature were being tossed around, and I was just tired of it.

But to quote Monty Python "I got better." So, does the fact that John Cleese was turned in to a newt and got better prove the supernatural, or is it a sly way for evolutionists to slip their theories under the radar in a movie called "The Holy Grail?"

It's too bad all the evo crowd can put out are these patently awful documentaries, with professors sporting that deer-in-the-headlights stare, droning on endlessly about the wonderful pictorial renditions of tyrannosaurusses eating tricerotops who unfortunately got stuck after goring a brontosaurus who scared the archaeopteryx into leaving her nest eggs which were promptly eaten by velociraptors which could be an analogy for the lack of pension plans in Britain's current strong, pro-capitalist push to deny even the simplest of securities to the working class man who only wants to grab a cuppa on the way to the Woking public library before taking the bus home to his corgi dog.

At least we produce entertainment that's enjoyable.

Work on the stiffs within the scientific community willya?


491 posted on 05/24/2005 10:08:34 AM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I trust my own understanding of physics.

At least you trust in something, worthless as it may prove to be. But I seriously doubt you arrived at your own understanding of physics solely by virtue of your own observation and testing. Or were you born in a vacuum?

492 posted on 05/24/2005 10:20:21 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: furball4paws
There in #3 - it's closer to 3.7 billion. Hah! and we don't correct each other. Hah!

Last time I looked, 3.7 > 3.2.

However, I accept your nitpicking, completely superfluous correction graciously. Poophead.

493 posted on 05/24/2005 10:43:15 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Your arguments amount to nothing more than a brief for militant ignorance. Whatever are you doing using a computer or posting on the internet? Have you personally verified exactly how electricity works, or whether electrical theory is an adequate explanation for all observed phenomena? How do you know evil brain waves aren't attacking you through the screen? Have you checked for yourself?

In chosing between Fester Chugabrew and Newton ("If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants. "), I'll go with Newton.

494 posted on 05/24/2005 11:03:37 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: PatrickHenry

http://www.smecc.org/mad_man_muntz!.htm


495 posted on 05/24/2005 11:21:39 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Here's your Citation. Kind of dates me, though.


496 posted on 05/24/2005 11:26:07 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
But I seriously doubt you arrived at your own understanding of physics solely by virtue of your own observation and testing.

Doubt all you want. You can't learn physics by swallowing other people's words whole. If you haven't checked the derivations yourself, you haven't learned them.

497 posted on 05/24/2005 11:28:41 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Projection of ignorance seems rampant among creationists.

At least one of them had the honesty to declare, "Ignorance is my strength."

498 posted on 05/24/2005 11:30:49 AM PDT by js1138 (e unum pluribus)
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To: js1138
See you and raise you.


499 posted on 05/24/2005 11:33:40 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Gumlegs
Whatever are you doing using a computer or posting on the internet? Have you personally verified exactly how electricity works . . .

Surely you are not saying one must have detailed technical knowledge of an entity to enjoy its benefits, are you? I don't have to know the speed of light to enjoy its benefits either. But when someone tells me the speed of light is 186,000 mps I have at least two choices: 1.) accept the statement at face value, trusting this individual did the work to find out (which work did not come easily to those who finally determined the speed of light); or 2.) accept or reject the statement after doing the research and experiments myself. Apparently it is only the latter type of people who inhabit your planet.

Based on my current reading of physics and the nature of light, science hasn't answered all the questions, and this is a currently observable process. What kind of egotistical fool would expect every student of science to accept a hopeful rendition of history as factual when even the current universe remains largely unexplained?

Don't answer. I already know. I post to them on a regular basis.

500 posted on 05/24/2005 11:36:14 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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