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Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate
RedNova ^ | 22 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question - when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe."

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs - based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible."

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures - including Tyrannosaurus Rex - were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology."

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue."

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth," Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years."

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views - and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time."

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off."

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"


This seems to be based on an article in the The Cincinnati Enquirer:
Ministry uses dinosaurs to dispute evolution . From there I got these pics:


Ken Ham poses with dinosaur models in his unfinished $25 million Answers in Genesis museum.


The 95,000-square-foot complex of Answers in Genesis is being built on 50 acres in Boone County. The Creation Museum covers 50,000 square feet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; kenham; museum
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"On the surface of things, perhaps."

So you're suggesting that God is a liar?


421 posted on 05/24/2005 5:59:00 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: PatrickHenry

Nice link.

My method is more messy (fun, not to mention cheese Mmmm) but I have a feeling the microwave oven was not yet in wide spread use back in Newton's day. :-)


422 posted on 05/24/2005 6:07:22 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: TXnMA
Thanks again!

Hope it works for you! :-)

423 posted on 05/24/2005 6:09:47 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: TXnMA
Speaking of waves -- and in appreciation for sharing the c-measurement experiment -- I think you will enjoy today's APOD image.

Yes I did. Thank you.

424 posted on 05/24/2005 6:11:42 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Radix
I am surprised that gravity is still only a theory.

How gravity works will always be a theory no matter how much evidence is accumulated. Here is a nice web page on what a theory is in science:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

425 posted on 05/24/2005 6:18:38 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Elsie
Would that mess up the standing waves?

I am not sure.

426 posted on 05/24/2005 6:20:09 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Doctor Stochastic

How in the heck did you find that link. :-)


427 posted on 05/24/2005 6:23:47 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Doctor Stochastic; PatrickHenry
Nice. Sort of like using three polarized sun glasses to demonstrate quantum mechanics.

Or an older TV to see a Pulsar. :-)

428 posted on 05/24/2005 6:24:33 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Wow. Ran the experiment just now.

186,000 miles per second...it's not just a good idea, it's the law!

Now that is just too cool!

429 posted on 05/24/2005 6:26:01 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Hi. I've been following your posts in this thread, and I hope you wouldn't mind answering a question. Also, pardon me if it seems that I am misrepresenting your position, I'm just trying to clarify.

You keep asking whether a variety of principles (e.g. the speed of light) are verifiable by the average person. Are you suggesting that if a discovery or principle of this nature is not verifiable by a person of average intelligence and education, then it is, on its face, invalid? If so, why?


430 posted on 05/24/2005 6:31:06 AM PDT by Chiapet (Chthulu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Nicholas of Oresme was the guy who first suggested that the planets had incommensurable orbits. He also was the first (or at least one of the first) to point out the evils of government controlled currency (inflation, devalutation, etc.)


431 posted on 05/24/2005 6:31:16 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
What I will not accept by faith is what science textbooks purport to know about the history of the universe.

Well, you don't want to read links and I do not want to post screeds, so how about you pick up a text book (whoops you don't trust them as well I see) and read all about the CMB and the Lyman Alpha Forest.

432 posted on 05/24/2005 6:33:04 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer

Looking for Oresme. I couldn't recall the name until after I signed off.


433 posted on 05/24/2005 6:33:11 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Junior

Like I said, turn on your set.


434 posted on 05/24/2005 6:34:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

What experiment?


How does you REALLY know what the frequency is, Kenneth????


435 posted on 05/24/2005 6:35:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

I have satellite and 150+ stations. Give me a show to look for.


436 posted on 05/24/2005 6:38:30 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Looking for Oresme. I couldn't recall the name until after I signed off.

Cool. Thanks.

437 posted on 05/24/2005 6:40:53 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: DannyTN
...not given voice to defend itself.

Sure it has!!!

Where's yer gonads????



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438 posted on 05/24/2005 6:45:23 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RadioAstronomer
My older tv WAS a ®Pulsar!
439 posted on 05/24/2005 6:48:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: RadioAstronomer

Ok...

tell me how!


440 posted on 05/24/2005 6:49:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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