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Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate
RedNova ^ | 22 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question - when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe."

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs - based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible."

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures - including Tyrannosaurus Rex - were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology."

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue."

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth," Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years."

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views - and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time."

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off."

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"


This seems to be based on an article in the The Cincinnati Enquirer:
Ministry uses dinosaurs to dispute evolution . From there I got these pics:


Ken Ham poses with dinosaur models in his unfinished $25 million Answers in Genesis museum.


The 95,000-square-foot complex of Answers in Genesis is being built on 50 acres in Boone County. The Creation Museum covers 50,000 square feet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; kenham; museum
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I am the citation.


361 posted on 05/23/2005 6:54:34 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Dimensio
"How does reading the Bible falsify the theory of evolution?"

It's not the ACT of reading, if that's what you're getting at, it is that the Bible directly contradicts evolution. It says that living things brought forth "after their own kind."

Like I said in my post, it also has a little passage that describes a creation, including man, that predated Adam. They were wiped out and left no progeny.

No multi-million year continum to fuel the process of evolution.

362 posted on 05/23/2005 6:56:08 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: VadeRetro
Stay stupid.

A good many FReepers would be insulted to know we should not trust them to express themselves in their own words without relying upon "links." What does a link say? "Someone else wrote this (whom I believe to be correct), therefore it is true." Maybe you like that kind of "dialogue." I don't.

363 posted on 05/23/2005 6:56:45 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: nightdriver
It's not the ACT of reading, if that's what you're getting at, it is that the Bible directly contradicts evolution. It says that living things brought forth "after their own kind."

Okay. And how does this statement disprove evolution?
364 posted on 05/23/2005 6:57:23 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I am the citation.

And it ain't no speeding ticket you're giving out.

365 posted on 05/23/2005 6:58:05 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RadioAstronomer
Sigh. No one asked about my microwave, ruler, chocolate method for measuring the speed of light. LOL!

OK, as a physical chemist, you have my attention. I'll bite. Please explain your "microwave, ruler, chocolate method"! :-)

366 posted on 05/23/2005 7:00:24 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: TXnMA

See the links in post 353 or 329. :-)


367 posted on 05/23/2005 7:02:39 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: VadeRetro
Come to think of it, that's how we got from the time everyone was a creationist--1780 or so--to here. Creationism flunked all the tests.

You oversimplify and overstate the facts. Furthermore you have more faith than a snake-handling Pentecostal.

368 posted on 05/23/2005 7:06:29 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RadioAstronomer
Gone for the evening. Gotta do some administrative work for Darwin Central.
369 posted on 05/23/2005 7:06:38 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: PatrickHenry

#360: Sorry to see you come full circle with a link that is a disservice to science, but I would expect as much from one who is by choice devoted to darker things.


370 posted on 05/23/2005 7:09:33 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RadioAstronomer
BTW, you can roughly measure the speed of light yourself with nothing more that a microwave oven, a ruler, and a meltable food such as cheese or chocolate.

OK, as you can see, I took the trouble to track back to your original statement -- so I am genuinely interested.

Pray tell!

I truly miss Scientific American's "Amateur Scientist" column with its neat experiments...

371 posted on 05/23/2005 7:10:25 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Thanks!

Aha! Wavelength measurement...!

If I can get enough chocolate away from my daughter, I think I'll pre-melt and chill it to provide a uniform layer for more precise measurement.

Sounds like fun; I'll have to do it with the grandkids...

Thanks again!

372 posted on 05/23/2005 7:24:59 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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To: Junior
You're trying to dodge the issue.

You jumped in at the point where it was asserted that "science" is in agreement about the age of the earth. Science is not even in agreement as to whether the universe has a beginning or not, let alone how old it is. If it makes you feel better to assemble sources with whom you agree, please knock yourself out, but do not expect every educational establishment to subscribe to, and teach, your point of view and that of your teachers/disciples.

373 posted on 05/23/2005 7:30:59 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

Wrong again. Science is very much in agreement that the universe had a beginning. You really need to actually read something on these subjects rather than just stating stuff that can be easily checked and refuted.


374 posted on 05/23/2005 7:40:24 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: PatrickHenry; RadioAstronomer
Contrary to normal practice I clicked on a link and checked it out, namely the one wherein it is proclaimed that the speed of light can be measured with a microwave and chocolate. There the following proposition is made:

"The speed of light is equal to the wavelength multiplied by the frequency of an electromagnetic wave (microwaves and visible light are both examples of electromagnetic waves)."

How can the unenlightened, ignorant, religious, superstitious masses so intent on the destruction of science verify this proposition? More importantly, for how many billions of years has this little experiment been performed and verified? Enough to certify a 4.5 billion year old earth as immutable fact?

Please give citations, and be sure to avoid dodging the question lest your truthfulness be called into question. (Not that it matters, since we're all a bunch of undesigned, unintelligent molecules anyway.)

375 posted on 05/23/2005 7:42:45 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Junior
Science is very much in agreement that the universe had a beginning.

Of course! That's what the Bible says!

376 posted on 05/23/2005 7:45:54 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Junior

But not all scientists agree. Shucks.


377 posted on 05/23/2005 7:46:32 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: nmh

"Will the godless evolutionist EVER GET IT?"

Answer: some will (and will be glad they are no longer deceived); and some won't. Evolution is really convolution.


378 posted on 05/23/2005 7:53:13 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable clues that God exists)
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To: Junior
You really need to actually read something on these subjects rather than just stating stuff that can be easily checked and refuted.

LOL! Check and refute the following statement: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Offer all scientific proofs and citations that this proposition is false. Don't worry. You still have a few years left.

379 posted on 05/23/2005 7:55:10 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: RadioAstronomer
Speaking of waves -- and in appreciation for sharing the c-measurement experiment -- I think you will enjoy today's APOD image.
380 posted on 05/23/2005 7:59:35 PM PDT by TXnMA (ATTN, ACLU & NAACP: There's no constitutionally protected right to NOT be offended -- Shove It!)
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