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Creation Museum Sparks Evolution Debate
RedNova ^ | 22 May 2005 | Staff

Posted on 05/23/2005 3:29:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Ken Ham has spent 11 years working on a museum that poses the big question - when and how did life begin? Ham hopes to soon offer an answer to that question in his still-unfinished Creation Museum in northern Kentucky.

The $25 million monument to creationism offers Ham's view that God created the world in six, 24-hour days on a planet just 6,000 years old. The largest museum of its kind in the world, it hopes to draw 600,000 people from the Midwest and beyond in its first year.

Ham, 53, isn't bothered that his literal interpretation of the Bible runs counter to accepted scientific theory, which says Earth and its life forms evolved over billions of years.

Ham said the museum is a way of reaching more people along with the Answers in Genesis Web site, which claims to get 10 million page views per month and his "Answers ... with Ken Ham" radio show, carried by more than 725 stations worldwide.

"People will get saved here," Ham said of the museum. "It's going to fire people up. If nothing else, it's going to get them to question their own position of what they believe."

Ham is ready for a fight over his beliefs - based on a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, the first book of the Old Testament.

"It's a foundational battle," said Ham, a native of Australia who still speaks with an accent. "You've got to get people believing the right history - and believing that you can trust the Bible."

Among Ham's beliefs are that the Earth is about 6,000 years old, a figure arrived at by tracing the biblical genealogies, and not 4.5 billion years, as mainstream scientists say; the Grand Canyon was formed not by erosion over millions of years, but by floodwaters in a matter of days or weeks and that dinosaurs and man once coexisted, and dozens of the creatures - including Tyrannosaurus Rex - were passengers on the ark built by Noah, who was a real man, not a myth.

Although the Creation Museum's full opening is still two years away, already a buzz is building.

"When that museum is finished, it's going to be Cincinnati's No. 1 tourist attraction," says the Rev. Jerry Falwell, nationally known Baptist evangelist and chancellor of Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "It's going to be a mini-Disney World."

Respected groups such as the National Science Board, the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Science Teachers Association strongly support the theory of evolution. John Marburger, the Bush administration's science adviser, has said, "Evolution is a cornerstone of modern biology."

Many mainstream scientists worry that creationist theology masquerading as science will have an adverse effect on the public's science literacy.

"It's a giant step backward in science education," says Carolyn Chambers, chair of the biology department at Xavier University, which is operated by the Jesuit order of the Catholic church.

Glenn Storrs, curator of vertebrate paleontology for the Cincinnati Museum Center, leads dinosaur excavations in Montana each summer. He said the theory of dinosaurs and man coexisting is a "non-issue."

"And so, I believe, is the age of the Earth," Storrs said. "It's very clear the Earth is much older than 6,000 years."

The Rev. Mendle Adams, pastor of St. Peter's United Church of Christ in Pleasant Ridge, takes issue with Ham's views - and the man himself.

"He takes extraordinary liberties with Scripture and theology to prove his point," Adams said. "The bottom line is, he is anti-gay, and he uses that card all the time."

Ham says homosexual behavior is a sin. But he adds that he's careful to condemn the behavior, not the person.

Even detractors concede that Ham has appeal.

Ian Plimer, chair of geology at the University of Melbourne, became aware of Ham in the late 1980s, when Ham's creationist ministry in Australia was just a few years old.

"He is promoting the religion and science of 350 years ago," says Plimer. "He's a far better communicator than most mainstream scientists."

Despite his communication skills, Ham admits he doesn't always make a good first impression. But, that doesn't stop him from trying to spread his beliefs.

"He'd be speaking 20 hours a day if his body would let him," said Mike Zovath, vice president of museum operations.

Ham's wife of 32 years agrees. "He finds it difficult talking about things apart from the ministry," Mally Ham says. "He doesn't shut off."

Ham said he has no choice but to speak out about what he believes.

"The Lord gave me a fire in my bones," Ham says. "The Lord has put this burden in my heart: 'You've got to get this information out.'"


This seems to be based on an article in the The Cincinnati Enquirer:
Ministry uses dinosaurs to dispute evolution . From there I got these pics:


Ken Ham poses with dinosaur models in his unfinished $25 million Answers in Genesis museum.


The 95,000-square-foot complex of Answers in Genesis is being built on 50 acres in Boone County. The Creation Museum covers 50,000 square feet.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: creation; crevolist; kenham; museum
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To: VadeRetro

Thanks. Always curious.


221 posted on 05/23/2005 1:12:21 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

LOL! Yep, she's the one. And you thought humans and dinosaurs didn't live at the same time.


222 posted on 05/23/2005 1:17:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Junior

OHhhh............


223 posted on 05/23/2005 1:20:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: ColoCdn
Wise men think alike, and fools seldom differ.

HMmmm.............

You almost convince me to steal a new tagline!

224 posted on 05/23/2005 1:22:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: AntiGuv
HMmmm... what color of paint to use???


...painting Charles Darwin as a racist...

... anyone who advances it is either a wretched dissembler or a mental juvenile.


So many decisions: so little time.

225 posted on 05/23/2005 1:25:11 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: js1138
All known life on earth descended from a common ancestral population.

WHAT???

It's NOT descended from 'a common ancestral' THING??

226 posted on 05/23/2005 1:27:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: PatrickHenry
I've never, however, seen a creationist criticized for posting fraudulent quotes, or other clearly discredited arguments.

"You bad Creationists give the REST of us a bad name!"


(There: ya happy now; PH?)

227 posted on 05/23/2005 1:28:42 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Junior

Ain't ROM wonderful!?


228 posted on 05/23/2005 1:29:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: wallcrawlr
you see...this is why I can say that the Bible is the basis for science. Again, it does not have information on acids but it is the reason why science exists.

Except that man was engaged in scientific research long before the Bible was written. Talk to the Chinese, for instance.

229 posted on 05/23/2005 1:29:52 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: Elsie

Be my guest.

I've used it in conversations, classes, and correspondence. Sometimes it goes over people's heads, other times it generates a delayed reaction, occasionally someone reacts immediately.

It's always fun, and informative, to watch the response.


230 posted on 05/23/2005 1:31:27 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Chiapet

theistic - deistic


What's the difference?


231 posted on 05/23/2005 1:31:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: blowfish

I dont know Chinese.


232 posted on 05/23/2005 1:32:40 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: wallcrawlr

Well, I don't speak Chinese either. But they were engaged in scientific study before the Bible was written. So Science predates the Bible by a long shot.


233 posted on 05/23/2005 1:39:05 PM PDT by blowfish
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To: balrog666

"Or repeat the third grade."

Touchy, touchy, touchy. And juvenile, but I won't bother mentioning that.

Did we go to the dentist today?

The obvious intent of your original 3rd grade post was to pour gas on the flames of this thread, by insinuating (multi-syllabic word of an accusatory nature) that Creationists selectively participated (do I need to use smaller words?) in the usage of 'reason' and 'logic', and actively avoided their usage in crevo threads.

Since crevo indicates both creationists and evolutionists, and since you and I have crossed paths before, and thus I know you to be an evolution apologist, it was a reasonable and logical inference that you were referring to creationists as the ones not using reason and logic.

I would be pleased to know, however, that you were actually referring to evolutionists.
(Say it's so, Joe."


234 posted on 05/23/2005 1:42:20 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: trisham

In the case of nmh, it's a safer bet to assume dishonesty. He has a history of it (see my first response to him in this discussion).


235 posted on 05/23/2005 1:45:40 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Liberal Classic
The Hebrew scriptures in question do not contain detail about how the Creator implemented creation.
 
Kinda like THESE descriptions of future war machines!
 
 

NIV Revelation 9:7-10
 7.  The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.
 8.  Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth.
 9.  They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.
 10.  They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.
 
NIV Revelation 9:17-19
 17.  The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur.
 18.  A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths.
 19.  The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

236 posted on 05/23/2005 1:53:12 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: blowfish

ok, come on. Before the Bible was written?
I'll go research this myself.


But the overall point was that the Bible "documents" what God did to create science...not that its the 1st textbook on it. The Chinese were not here before God. I know they are pretty efficient folks...but not that good.


237 posted on 05/23/2005 1:54:08 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices
My God has no need of BILLIONs of years - God spoke - and it was!
 
Indeed!

NIV 1 Peter 1:17-21
 17.  Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.
 18.  For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers,
 19.  but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.
 20.  He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
 21.  Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.
 
 

NIV 1 Corinthians 2:7
  No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
 

NIV 2 Timothy 1:8-10
 8.  So do not be ashamed to testify about our Lord, or ashamed of me his prisoner. But join with me in suffering for the gospel, by the power of God,
 9.  who has saved us and called us to a holy life--not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
 10.  but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.
 

NIV Titus 1:1-4
 1.  Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the faith of God's elect and the knowledge of the truth that leads to godliness--
 2.  a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,
 3.  and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,
 4.  To Titus, my true son in our common faith:   Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
 
 
How much 'time' is 'before time'????
 

238 posted on 05/23/2005 1:55:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: colorado tanker

"When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth" even Helen THOMAS would have been a major babe!


239 posted on 05/23/2005 1:56:51 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie

Difficult to say.

"Timeless" might be the best answer.


240 posted on 05/23/2005 1:58:46 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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