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GUN CULTURE THREATENS DEMOCRACY : Gun lobby threatens our very way of life
Coalition to Stop Gun Violence ^ | May 13 | Josh Horowitz

Posted on 05/21/2005 10:42:38 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

CSGV: GUN CULTURE THREATENS DEMOCRACY

Op-Ed Challenges "Guns Equal Freedom" Formula

Gun lobby threatens our very way of life

The price extracted by guns is simply too high

By JOSH HORWITZ
SPECIAL TO THE REVIEW-JOURNAL

When the National Rifle Association's top lobbyist, Wayne LaPierre, addresses the crowd at "FreedomFest 2005" at the Bally's/Paris Resort in Las Vegas today, he will be preaching a message that has served his organization well: guns equal freedom.

As LaPierre puts it, "The Second Amendment is the fulcrum of freedom in our nation, because freedom and the Second Amendment are mutually interdependent. They are the 'chicken and the egg;' neither can exist without the other."

LaPierre can expect a friendly reception from the right wing activists at FreedomFest. Aggressive support for gun rights provokes none of the intramural squabbling that sometimes threatens to divide social conservatives and their libertarian allies in the GOP.

By framing the gun debate as a choice between protecting liberty and the illusion of safety, the gun lobby has painted itself as a defender of basic American values.

Too often, gun control advocates walk into the trap and concede that values like democracy and independence must be sacrificed to fight gun crime.

"At what point will Americans agree that the price exacted by guns -- the gun lobby's 'price of freedom' -- is simply too high?" asks Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center.

This formulation is not smart politics, because Americans rightly treasure freedom. More importantly, it fails to hold LaPierre and the gun lobby accountable for a philosophy that is at odds with freedom and the institutions that support it.

The most recent example of the tension came last month, when Florida Gov. Jeb Bush signed a bill that allows people to use deadly force -- including guns -- when faced with a violent threat, even when a confrontation could be avoided by simply walking away. The new law goes far beyond self-defense, which was already a well-established right in Florida, to invite vigilantes to substitute their judgment for the judicial system.

David Kopel, a leading gun rights theorist, acknowledges the potential tension between an expansive right of self defense like the one embodied in the new Florida statute and the rule of law, but dismisses the concern out of hand, arguing that "people's taking the law into their own hands has always been a core principle of the American legal system, and the American attitude toward guns is simply one manifestation of that principle."

This warped conception of popular sovereignty is at the root of the most egregious anti- democratic proposition advanced by the gun lobby: that citizens need to arm themselves to safeguard political liberties against threats by the government.

Kopel has called guns "the tools of political dissent," and LaPierre wrote in 1994 that "the people have a right, must have a right, to take whatever measures necessary, including force, to abolish oppressive government."

As famed legal scholar Roscoe Pound observed, however, "A legal right of the citizen to wage war on the government is something that cannot be admitted. ... [because] bearing arms today is a very different thing from what it was in the days of the embattled farmers who withstood the British in 1775. In the urban industrial society of today a general right to bear arms so as to be able to resist oppression by the Government would mean that gangs could defeat the whole Bill of Rights."

The standoffs at Ruby Ridge and Waco -- often cited as proof that the government can and does abuse its power -- illustrate why armed resistance is a dead end. Randy Weaver and David Koresh may have had good reasons to distrust the government, but they had no right to use private arsenals to keep the police at bay. Our system includes democratic safeguards, such as juries, that do not rely on the private force of arms.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, the gun lobby toned down its rhetoric, casting an armed citizenry as a deterrent to oppression rather than a potential rebel force against a democratic government. "The Second Amendment is America's first freedom because it is the one right that protects all the others," LaPierre says.

This argument sounds reasonable but is no different in substance that what gun rights absolutists were saying before Oklahoma City. If they believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy.

When LaPierre talks about guns and freedom, he wraps himself in a flag that the NRA is simultaneously ripping to shreds. Protecting vigilantes from criminal prosecution and urging citizens to stockpile weapons for a showdown with the government are more than just threats to public safety -- they are threats to our democracy and our way of life.


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To: goldstategop

Josh Horowitz can give his up. I will never give up GOD or my guns. NRA LIFE MEMBER!


81 posted on 05/22/2005 3:51:10 AM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Poor Horowitz. I'm sure someone will protect him.

Or maybe he is already safe - it makes complete sense that criminals obey gun laws and would never think of getting a weapon through illegal channels, noooo. Man, must be nice living somewhere other than reality.


82 posted on 05/22/2005 4:01:39 AM PDT by Atheist_Canadian_Conservative
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To: Dan from Michigan
"Protecting vigilantes from criminal prosecution and urging citizens to stockpile weapons for a showdown with the government are more than just threats to public safety -- they are threats to our democracy and our way of life." - Josh Horowitz

As usual, the Libs have it all wrong.

FREEDOM

83 posted on 05/22/2005 4:30:36 AM PDT by Gritty ("Dangerous ideas have killed many millions more people than dangerous handguns" - Bill Whittle)
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To: Dan from Michigan

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE RESET BUTTON ON THE CONSTITUTION...BEN FRANKLIN?


84 posted on 05/22/2005 4:30:39 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID ))
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To: Tax Government
Every last person reading FR should join NRA. Even if you don't own a gun.

Sign up your whole family.
85 posted on 05/22/2005 4:40:23 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: freepatriot32
horwitz osunds like apretty jewish name

Yes, and there were Jews who collaborated with the Nazis in Europe, as well. Those who were not ultimately killed by the Nazis were often handled by Jewish partisans.

86 posted on 05/22/2005 4:40:46 AM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
This warped conception of popular sovereignty is at the root of the most egregious anti- democratic proposition advanced by the gun lobby: that citizens need to arm themselves to safeguard political liberties against threats by the government.

Good thing he was not around during the American revolution.

87 posted on 05/22/2005 4:41:32 AM PDT by Guard Dog (The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Florida Gov. Jeb Bush signed a bill that allows people to use deadly force -- including guns -- when faced with a violent threat, even when a confrontation could be avoided by simply walking away. The new law goes far beyond self-defense, which was already a well-established right in Florida, to invite vigilantes to substitute their judgment for the judicial system.

Not only is this a mischaracterization of the law, but the fact is that it did virtually nothing to change the law in Florida. The courts had already ruled that people have this right in Florida.

88 posted on 05/22/2005 4:59:18 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Dan from Michigan
"If they believe in the right to take up arms to resist government policies they consider oppressive, even when these policies have been adopted by elected officials and subjected to review by an independent judiciary, then they are opposed to constitutional democracy."

We've got an independent judiciary? Since when? I thought it was owned outright by the DNC.

89 posted on 05/22/2005 5:03:10 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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To: goldstategop

Go for the trifecta, "God, Guts and Guns made America free. Lets keep all three!"


90 posted on 05/22/2005 5:21:19 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies he murders some part of the world.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Totally stupid. This guy probably thinks that registering sex offenders is also a solution. These people are nuts.


91 posted on 05/22/2005 5:26:21 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
If you fear being on a registration list, then join the National Rifle Association with a new chosen alias.

You're kidding, right? This is a defeatist attitude. Join the NRA or GOA (Gun Owners Of America) or any of the other forceful groups and do so without fear or intimidation. I'm an NRA member and proud of it. And I may just join GOA. Using my real name, no less.

92 posted on 05/22/2005 5:39:43 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: spinestein

I work with exactly the same kind of liberal as you do. She is the most hateful and unhappy person I know of.


93 posted on 05/22/2005 5:41:45 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: Brad's Gramma

Every Freeper should join the National Rifle Association. Like one Freeper said whether they own a gun or not. If you're already a member, please put the initials in your tagline. Thanks.


94 posted on 05/22/2005 5:51:31 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Dan from Michigan
As a guest from one of the Leftist enclaves of the West Coast recently remarked when my wife mentioned our guns, our ability to use them, and our intention to do so as necessary for protection from violent criminals:
"I think we should rely on the police..."
As my wife replied:
"And if it takes the police a hour and a half to get here...? I don't think so."

95 posted on 05/22/2005 6:04:15 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Democrat Party: The Party of Sociopaths and Their (Mentally and Morally Retarded) Enablers!)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Bump for later retching... I mean reading. Late for church.
96 posted on 05/22/2005 6:06:23 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ccmay

Roscoe Pound, a somewhat famed jurist of the
20s and 30s. (A time when socialism was shall we
say, "untarnished".)

"He was perhaps the chief U.S. advocate of sociological jurisprudence, which holds that statutes and court decisions are affected by social conditions; his ideas apparently influenced the New Deal programs of Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt. "


98 posted on 05/22/2005 6:24:14 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

So it shouldn't come as any surprise that the
socialists of today would hold him up as an
example.

BLOAT!


99 posted on 05/22/2005 6:25:42 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: The_Macallan
"Americans need not fear the federal government because they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess over the people of almost every other nation." ~ James Madison

That's the quote the Liberals don't want you to know.

100 posted on 05/22/2005 6:39:38 AM PDT by GVnana
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