Voters to decide on historic cross

WND ^ | May 21, 2005 | By James Lambert

[Darksheare]

You said in post 2: "Our Founding Fathers seem to have intentionally avoided any mention of "god" in our constitution"


You were shown that the Founders mentioned God all the time.
And still you ramble on with your fallacy.
Who's pathetic then?

[Vision]

What enrages me is his lofty attitude about our veterans and dead. Typical know-it-all know-nothing ivory tower blue state mentality.

[Darksheare]

Yes, and quite typical -unfortunately- of my generation.
He's the same age as I am as indicated in his post 150.

I guess the difference being that in 1980 when I went to school, we still had a moment of silence for our war dead, and said the Pledge fo Allegiance.
Willing to bet he went to one of the few places that didn't at the time.

[Vision]

Sometimes it seems this whole country is just nuts

[Darksheare]

Sometimes, I fear that assessment is correct.

[Darksheare]

"Aometimes"?
Heck, let me rephrase that since I just read what Ruth Bader-Ginsberg said on her ideas of foreign law being a better standard than US law when deciding Constitutionality of US law.

I fear that it currently IS correct.

[restornu]

thank you for the reply!:)

[rollo tomasi]

"Ah, the old "activist judiciary" argument again."

Explain the fact that States had official religions after 1789 and Marbury vs. Madison. If it was OK for the people who actually wrote the document why is it not for us?

Also remember the 14th Amendment was not used as penumbra and other excuses for "informal Amendments" (On Federal Religious matters) until 70 plus years after the northern States reamed that down America's throat.

You sure don't have history on your side, just a bunch of penumbras and emanations.

[doug from upland]

Do you actually know if the ACLU is fighting a lawsuit over this, or are you just making it up because you think it helps your argument?
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Welcome to FreeRepublic. What is wrong with some of who who have to frame a question by being insulting and condescending? That's not a good way to get a serious answer from me.

[chs68]

It's not a ballad?

This sounds series.

Perhaps even hugh.

[doug from upland]

I just read your post No. 101 to Darksheare. Would it be too much for me to ask you to stay in the EU? That is where you belong.

[doug from upland]

What did the cross do to the atheist who wanted it removed? Spoil his view? He wanted it removed just because he wanted it removed. It was all about him. It is a symbol of religious importance and historical significance. The symbol around the world brings hope to people in this life and for the next. It did no harm to the atheist.

It is easy to feign offense. Oh, I am just so offended by that. It has to go. It has to go because I say so. The NOW cows are good at that. People who are easily offended by the things that don't impact them, but want to exercise the power to take them away from others are narcissistic scum.

There is a Judeo/Christian heritage in this great nation. It is under assault, and specious arguments are made in the name of separation of church and state. The government declaring an official religion of the United States to the exclusion of all others is not what this country has done. When our government plans to do that, I will listen to the argument and join those to whom I now refer as narcissistic scum. Until then, I will fight to retain our traditions and symbols. Our founders never intended for the government to prevent religious expression.

Let the people of San Diego vote. May the tyranny of the small minority not prevail.

[Darksheare]

He probably wn't stay over there.
He likes his fromage and white flag waving too much.

[Myrddin]

Federal law supercedes state law. That's enough.

Apparently not for the 2nd amendment.

[DocRock]

"Doc, needsomereason doesn't seem to care much for trying to debate you.
He seems to think my position is less defensible.

He claims the Founders didn't mention God at all to supposedly show a 'wall of separation'.
He believes the revisionist history tripe on that.

Obviously, he forgets his history, or is willfully ignorant of the history of this nation."

That's too bad. I was just getting started. I guess I will save the rest of my ammo for the next assault on my heritage. Things like Christmas, Thanksgiving, one of the appropriations of the first Congress was for the printing of Bibles, Maryland being founded in part as a refuge for persecuted Catholics, collages and textbooks at the time were very evangelical, (check the history of Harvard, Princeton and Yale and The New England Primer (1737) and Thomas Dilworth's New Guide to the English Tongue (1740) and you will be amazed). Noah Webster, *snicker* I can't help but smile when I say his first name. The Northwest Ordinance of 1787, All 50 State Constitutions appeal to Almighty God, our National Anthem and our National Motto..."In God We Trust", Justice William O. Douglas comments in Zorach v. Clausen (343 U.S. 306). I could go on, but I know I'm just preaching to the choir. Thanks for letting me rant.

[Darksheare]

Obviously, you do not understand English.
"It's" also is used as a possessive.
It is not incorrect, but it is clunky and awkward.

If you want to try to pretend to have a brain, how about studying US History instead of revisionist lies?
At least then you can attest to having read something of worth.
But that goes counter to your fallacious claims.
Nevermind that the Pilgrims came here for religious freedom, nevermind the reasons behind the American Revolution.
Nevermind that back then, if the King was Catholic you had to be Catholic, and if he was Protestant -you had to be also.
The idea that there was religious freedom where God could be worshipped in the manner of one's choosing, that people could be either Catholic or Protestant as they so chose rather than by dictate of the King was radical.
And God most certainly was foremost on the minds of the founders when they penned the Constitution.

Oh, but revisionism is much more important to you.
After all, you're oh so much more enlightened and know so much more about the mentality and attitudes of men 200 years ago.

Nevermind that people who claimed as you do were ostracised to say the least back then.

[Serb5150]

"The San Diego City Council voted this week to allow voters to decide the fate of the historic Mt. Soledad Cross overlooking the Pacific Ocean in La Jolla."

Did I miss something? I could have sworn I voted on this just before I left. If I had a dollar for every time this issue has resurfaced on our ballots, I'd be a rich FReeper.

[Darksheare]

He still continues on though.
He cites revisionist sources in one post and then tries to claim victory.
*snort*

He doesn't know history even a fourth as well as he would like to claim.

[Vision]

Don't get discouraged. We just need to demand more conservatism from our Representatives. Look at the current situation as a warning.

[Darksheare]

Already do.
Just wish a good portion of the people I know in real life would actually bother to look at history and the original documents instead of buying the hog wallow they've been sold over the years.