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Russian villagers baffled by missing lake
Reuters via MSNBC.COM ^ | 05/20/2005 | Reuters

Posted on 05/20/2005 2:18:42 PM PDT by Mannaggia l'America

MOSCOW - A Russian village was left baffled on Thursday after its lake disappeared overnight.

NTV television showed pictures of a giant muddy hole bathed in summer sun, while fishermen from the village of Bolotnikovo looked on disconsolately.

“It is very dangerous. If a person had been in this disaster, he would have had almost no chance of survival. The trees flew downwards, under the ground,” said Dmitry Zaitsev, a local Emergencies Ministry official interviewed by the channel
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“I am thinking, well, America has finally got to us,” said one old woman, as she sat on the ground outside her house.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: bushsfault; lake; russia
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To: Mannaggia l'America

I call BS. The lake is in the same place it's always been. Everybody just got blind drunk and got turned around.


41 posted on 05/20/2005 2:52:24 PM PDT by RichInOC (...Phi Kappa Sigma, Beta Rho '87...my liver is evil. I must kill it.)
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To: theFIRMbss
That pic of Anna was simply gratuitous.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Cheers,

knews hound
42 posted on 05/20/2005 2:53:58 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: Mannaggia l'America

BBC (bleh!) has more info, plus a picture:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4566355.stm

Apparently local legend is that the lake appeared during the reign of Ivan the Terrible, and that there is a church underwater. People used to be afraid to swim in it because it was so deep and because of the legends.


43 posted on 05/20/2005 2:55:31 PM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: GreenHornet
FOLLOW-UP TO STORY

Reuters: The entire village of Bolotnikovo got drunk the other night and thought they lost an entire lake. After sobering up a bit the village discovered that they had accidently entered another village called Gorbybthmark which was vacated after the Chernoybl nuclear accident.

"It look like my house but now I can see it's glowing" said Igor Sputnick. "Uh, sorry...."

44 posted on 05/20/2005 2:56:27 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: theFIRMbss

Gad! That huge sucking sound is not another lake going dry, it is me grasping for breath over your photo!

Thanks, now my slideshow screensaver now has a new addition...


45 posted on 05/20/2005 2:56:50 PM PDT by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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To: isthisnickcool

Actually, the lake really is gone. I admit it - I took it. I plan to bottle it and sell it to the French under the brand "Naive", marketted as "Natural Russian Lakewater".

They'll buy it. ;)


46 posted on 05/20/2005 3:00:10 PM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: Mannaggia l'America
Putin will blame bush, after all he was just in the country. Ya just can't piss GWB off and not expect some reprisal. /sarcasm
47 posted on 05/20/2005 3:00:34 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: A CA Guy

I like the FISHER explanation best.
Was the fisher fishing in a fissure or was the fisher fixing a fissure when the lake fwooshed into the fissure causing the fisher to lose his fish?


48 posted on 05/20/2005 3:03:56 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE)
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To: Mannaggia l'America; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; Calpernia; Grzegorz 246; Tailgunner Joe; PhilDragoo; ...

Early Oceans Touch Civilization Today

It was a chilly Thursday morning in November 1980 when, just before dawn, the drill bit from the oil rig on Lake Peigneur on Jefferson Island, La., punctured the roof of the Diamond Crystal salt dome beneath the lake. Water began pouring into the dome, slowly at first, then more and more rapidly, flooding the tunnels, dissolving the salt and forcing a hasty evacuation of the miners working there.

Within seven hours the entire 1,100-acre lake was empty and two drilling rigs, a tugboat, 11 barges from the canal, a barge loading-dock, 70 acres of Jefferson Island and its botanical gardens, parts of greenhouses, a house trailer, trucks, tractors, a parking lot and tons of mud and trees had disappeared into the sinkhole at the bottom of the lake. The salt dome was filled with lake water and the mining operations closed forever.

The events leading up to the 1980 disaster began about 150 million years ago, when the nearly landlocked sea that is now the Gulf of Mexico dried up over and over again, said Gary Byerly, chair of LSU's department of geology and geophysics. The evaporation of the water left huge layers of salt, which were eventually covered by silt and clay. Pressure from overlying sediments deformed the flat layers of salt into dome shapes.

At the same time, the algae that would eventually become the oil and gas the Texaco rig workers were looking for were living in the Gulf. The climate in that period fluctuated wildly, with years so dry the Mississippi River would become a mud flat, followed by years of flash flooding, said geologist Ezat Heydari of LSU's Basin Research Institute. These conditions also produced great algal blooms. As the organisms died and drifted to the bottom, they eventually covered the floor of the Gulf to a depth of 500 feet or more, Heydari said. Gradually they became covered with silt and sank deeper and deeper into the seabed until they began to cook under the pressure and temperature.

"Oil and gas are formed by thermal processes," said LSU geology professor Jeffery Nunn. "Organic material has to be cooked at a temperature of 100 degrees Centigrade before it will become transformed into oil, and it doesn't get that hot till you get to a depth of three kilometers (almost 10,000 feet). It takes a long time for something to be buried that deep."

"The oil deposits we are tapping under the Gulf of Mexico were laid down about 60 million years ago," Nunn said, "but even today, organisms are dying and falling to the bottom, continuing the process of hydrocarbon formation."

The salt domes and the oil deposits the rig was searching for are relatively recent geological phenomena. But even the earliest seas had a profound influence on the planet today, Byerly said.

Byerly's field of expertise is the Archean Age, including oceans which formed at the dawn of time and gave rise to life on earth. "There is a lot of overlap between oceanography and geology. Understanding the ancient oceans is a major part of understanding geology," he said.

Scientists now believe that the oceans formed shortly after the earth itself and have always been just about as deep and just about as salty as they are today. They have not become more salty over the eons, Byerly said, because they are constantly drying up and re-forming elsewhere, leaving behind great deposits of salt.

"Scientists used to believe that the ocean basins were ancient and the continents were relatively young. Now we know just the opposite is true. Ocean basins are the most geologically active places on earth. The average age of the Atlantic, for instance, is between 75 and 150 million years. But you can find rocks 3.5 billion years old on the continents," he said.

Although the earth itself is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old, no rocks have survived from that early date because geological forces have recycled them. Byerly took out a rock which had been formed on the edge of an Archean sea and pointed out layers of fine brown lines that made dome-like arches against the cream-colored rock background. "These were laid down by algae-like creatures," he said.

But the little plants that left their mark in the 3-billion-year-old rock were not the earliest life forms. Life probably began in the warm, shallow waters of even earlier oceans but did not survive. "The earth was struck by large meteors for perhaps the first 700 million years of its history. Many of these would have been big enough to evaporate all the oceans, sterilizing life."

Although the process of change -- the shifting seas and drifting continents, the changing composition of the atmosphere, the advance and retreat of great ice sheets -- continues to this day, there are some things that have not changed since the earth began. One of them is the interaction between the land, the atmosphere and the oceans.

"We used to think you could study the continents separately from the oceans and the atmosphere, but now we know that is not true. A change in one affects the others," Byerly said. When the seas were warmer, for instance, they evaporated more rapidly, causing more thunderstorms and rainfall, which in turn eroded the land. Silt from erosion might eventually block or divert rivers feeding an inland sea, causing the sea to dry up.

The oceans also act as a planetary thermostat, keeping the earth more temperate than it would be without them, Byerly said.

The 150-million-year-old Diamond Crystal salt dome under Lake Peigneur has been partially opened again, but not for the mining of salt. It is now used to store 60-million-year-old oil.

49 posted on 05/20/2005 3:04:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Oh man... I hope they can license this technology to us... I wouldn't miss the Great Salt Lake for a minute!


50 posted on 05/20/2005 3:09:24 PM PDT by glock rocks (For the love of all that's good and decent, don't try this at home)
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To: A CA Guy
This suggests there was a huge fisher beneath the lake where all the water could have drained to.

If so, he would have been the Fisher King.

Now a big fissure, that would have been more likely.

51 posted on 05/20/2005 3:12:28 PM PDT by Defiant (Saddam in his underwear: Much ado about nothing.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

"the earth itself is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old"

Seriously - give me a break. Do you actually believe that, or were you just wanting to reprint the article?


52 posted on 05/20/2005 3:16:40 PM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: Amos the Prophet
"Was the fisher fishing in a fissure or was the fisher fixing a fissure when the lake fwooshed into the fissure causing the fisher to lose his fish?"

ARRRRGH!! Coffee+white shirt+funny pun = sudden need to go rinse out shirt!

53 posted on 05/20/2005 3:18:09 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: glock rocks
Here!
54 posted on 05/20/2005 3:18:26 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Yo! Cowboy! I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: Mannaggia l'America
Thanks for the post. I'll be on the lookout now for bargain lake-front lots for sale in Russia. You wouldn't believe the spam I get!
55 posted on 05/20/2005 3:19:10 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: OldGuard1; PatrickHenry
"the earth itself is estimated to be 4.5 billion years old"

Seriously - give me a break. Do you actually believe that, or were you just wanting to reprint the article?

The most recent estimates are about 4.6 billion years.

56 posted on 05/20/2005 3:19:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Mannaggia l'America

It'll probably turn up on eBay.


57 posted on 05/20/2005 3:22:21 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Paleo Conservative
Sounds like that lake in Louisiana that disappeared when Texaco drilled into a salt mine.

I remember that one.

58 posted on 05/20/2005 3:22:29 PM PDT by chemicalman (Finally an answer for the prisoner problem at Abu Ghraib: Don't take any.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
"The events leading up to the 1980 disaster began about 150 million years ago, when the nearly landlocked sea that is now the Gulf of Mexico dried up over and over again..."

See?? If we'd had Kyoto way back then, this tragedy would never have happened!!

59 posted on 05/20/2005 3:22:42 PM PDT by cake_crumb (Leftist Credo: "One Wing to Rule Them all and to the Dark Side Bind Them")
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To: Mannaggia l'America
Russian villagers baffled by missing lake

Maybe it was global warming that dried it up. (sarcasm off)

60 posted on 05/20/2005 3:23:04 PM PDT by Mark17
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