Russia -- The Empire of Tyranny

frontpagemag.com ^ | May 19, 2005 | Askar Askarov

[sergey1973]

"What were the geopolitical concequences of disintegration of British or French colonial empires? Very bad I would say. Does it mean that the Brits should have killed Gandhi and stay in India for all eternity? "

Basayev is definitely not Gandhi. He is Islamist imperialist and terrorist. North Caucasus Che Guevara, so to speak. Maskadov and Dudaev weren't Ghandi either. They both headed armed separatist insurgency.

I condemn brutal treatment by Russian Federal forces of the local Chechen population. You can't fight terror and separatism with another terror--state terror, but one thing is to condemn the conduct of Russian Federal and local pro-Federal forces conduct toward Chechens (who are Russian citizens by the way) and another is the support of Chechen Armed Separatism (that used terror too and has undoubtely Islamist character and Jihadist support). I would advocate taking Chechnya under temporary protective custody by the democratic law-abiding third party (definitely not UNITED NATIONS) till Russia has civilized system of governance and law-enforcement. Some arrangement is possible where Chechnya may have a broad Internationally guaranteed autonomy.

"But what if Chechens don't want be a part of any Russia at all? "

Should president Lincoln let 11 Southern States to secede from the Union in 1861 instead of starting war to Preserve the Union ? Should United Kingdom be dissolved so England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland become separate entities ? Should Basques be allowed to secede from Spain and France ?

These and myriad of other questions are going to be automatically raised about ethnic, religious and other forms of separatism if we approve separatism anywhere.

[Pomian]

Yes, of course. Stalin was a political commissar of Budienny's army but it was him who was mainly responsible for Budienny's disobedience.

Read below. The quote is taken from Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_(1920)

Another error committed by the Soviet generals, which influenced the outcome of the war, neutralized the 1st Cavalry Army of Semyon Budyonny, a unit much feared by Pilsudski and other Polish commanders. Soviet High Command, at Tukhachevski's insistence, ordered the 1st Cavalry Army to march toward Warsaw from the south. Semyon Budyonny did not obey this order due to a grudge between commanding South-Western Front generals Aleksandr Yegorov and Tukhachevski. In addition, the political games of Joseph_Stalin who was at the time chief political commissar of the South-Western Front, further contributed to Yegorov's and Budyonny's disobedience. Joseph Stalin, in search of personal triumph, desired to capture the important industrial center of Lwów, besieged by Bolshevik forces but still resisting their assaults. Ultimately Budyonny's forces, which could have changed the course of the history, marched on Lwow instead of Warsaw and excluded themselves from the battle.

[Long Eared Hair]

They invited Soviet troops at threat of a gun, that point should not be left out
That's the way in which one country acquires a new land. Technically, there wasn't a military threat, nevertheless the Baltics governments had no other option.
the Poles didn't believe they'd be overrun so quickly, even without Soviet aid - especially since they erroneously believed the French would attack in the West
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the Poles offered to attack Germany when its military entered the Rhein territories? And nobody agreed. Next, Munich, french defensive line...
And they CERTAINLY didn't think that the Soviets would agree to partition them with the Nazis and invade from the East
Well, Poland knew well that their relations with the USSR weren't friendly. The war of 1920-21, the unwillingness to see Soviet troops. Take into account also the uncertain Western policy towards the USSR. Finally, the Poles thought the USSR to be evil as well as Germany. So, they could have the idea of the USSR in alliance with Germany.

[j23]

"If AMERICANS judge Russia then I'm not against it since America IS moral authority for russians. But no Poland, Baltics and so on."

That says it all. You gave yourself away. America is a moral authority for you, because America is powerful. For me, America is not a moral authority, or Russia, or any other country in the world. The only moral authority is God. But you know nothing about it, don't you?

By the way, sorry for that remark about your English. I was a bit pissed off, you know. You may write your posts even in Mandarin, I'm not going to read them anyway.

[j23]

"does Polish public education make a point of describing the Polish seizer of Teschen (Zaolzie)? "

I hope it still does. When I was at school (long time ago), they talked about it rather a lot. And the judgment of it was very clear. Recently I looked up a few Polish history sites on the web, and the judgment generally is that it was a stupid mistake rather than a crime (we had a short war with the Czechs over this scrap of land in 1919). My opinion: it was a stupid crime, considering the circumstances.

[j23]

"Later another pole marshal Rokosovskii took Warsaw but from germans in end of 1944."

Hahaha. Typically russian sense of humour. Rokosovski a Pole, good. And Pushkin was Ethiopian.

[j23]

"They know that but they know more. That those annexed territories didn't belong to Poland. They are ukranian and bellorussian occupied by Poland 20 years before."

Uhm. I suppose they were most happy when the Russians occupied them for the next 50 years. Oops, not Russians: it was a Jewish-Polish-Latvian conspiracy.

[RusIvan]

Rokosovski a Pole, good. And Pushkin was Ethiopian.==

Sir Rokosovskii was borned in Wassaw. In this town his sister lived all times. He WAS pole.

[RusIvan]

America is a moral authority for you, because America is powerful. For me, America is not a moral authority, or Russia, or any other country in the world. The only moral authority is God. But you know nothing about it, don't you?==

I meant authority between people. America is moral authority between people because they didn't do things like USSR and Polnd did. So USSR and Poland cann't judge each other since they are not clear themselves. But America can.

God is supreme authority of cause. But his judgement we will know later from him. We cann't influence his judgement.

[RusIvan]

I suppose they were most happy when the Russians occupied them for the next 50 years. ==

Soviets not russians. Ukranians and bellorussians as russians was soviets too.
Russians, ukranians and bellorussians disbanded USSR and created CIS in 1991 by Belowezhie accord. SO we all was happy.

Notice russians never told that those lands are part of Russia. BUT I hear a lot from poles here that those lands of western Ukraine and Bellorus are polish. Don't you see differencein our positions?
Who then imperialist here?
You talk that you feel friendly toward ukranians but in same time you claim thier lands. It is easy way to spoil any friendly relations. You tell this them and you will see how easy.