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The Cosmic Plenum: Bohm's Gnosis: The Implicate Order
Bizchart.com ^ | 18 May 2005 | Unknown

Posted on 05/18/2005 12:57:13 PM PDT by roaddog727

The Cosmic Plenum: Bohm's Gnosis: The Implicate Order

This article discusses the vision David Bohm intuited from his insight (gnosis) into the quantum world. This vision discerns the characteristics of an evolving cosmos in process; and, also, it ponders upon the implications for humanity. Bohm's scientific presentations are not in this article; however, they can be found in his books listed in the Reference Section at the end of these series of articles.

BOHM AND THE IMPLICATE ORDER: AN INTRODUCTION

David Bohm, an American, was one of the leading quantum physicists of our age. He died recently. Following a venerable career at the University of California (Berkeley) and at Princeton's Institute of Advanced Studies, he moved to become Professor of Theoretical Physics at Birkbeck College of the University of London. During his later years he linked a formidable knowledge of the history and philosophy of science to his keen experience as a physicist.

In recent years, Bohm attempted to explain an ontological basis for quantum theory. The basis of quantum theory can be summarized in three propositions:

1.) In the subatomic world, few things can be predicted with 100 percent precision; however, accurate predictions can be made about the probability of any particular outcome.

2.) One has to work with the probabilities rather than certainties, because it is impossible (for an observer) to describe all aspects of a particle at once (speed and location).

3.) Electromagnetic energy (such as light or heat) does not always behave like a continuous wave--rather it is grainy, because energy can be transferred only in quantum packages. Therefore, light has a dual character. Under certain circumstances, it may display wavelike aspects; and in other circumstances, it may have the characteristics of particles.

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This is deep. Very thought provoking

Be nice.

1 posted on 05/18/2005 12:57:14 PM PDT by roaddog727
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To: roaddog727; PatrickHenry

Ping

For your Science ping list - this should certainly stir up some lively debate.

A long read, but well worth it.

Enjoy.


2 posted on 05/18/2005 12:59:13 PM PDT by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: roaddog727; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; Right Wing Professor; Physicist
Thanks for the ping, but I can't figure this one out, so I'll just have to let it go. But I'll ping a few of others; maybe it's for them.
3 posted on 05/18/2005 1:14:15 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
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To: roaddog727

I have thought about this alot, and come to some conclusions.

I believe what we are seeing in the QM/Relativity contrast is really the wave/particle duality.

QM deals with events that either happen or don't. An electron is in a certain energy state or another, but not one inbetween. Thus, it has a discrete, particulate, non-differentiable nature to it.

Relativity, OTOH, deals with waves. Relative distances, which are variable depending on your frame of reference. It is a continuous, differentible, wave-like theory.

Bell has proven they can never be reconciled. There is no "hidden-variable" theory that can transform a QM framework into a Relativistic framework.

It is almost as if we are living in two separate, overlapping universes. I prefer the term "multiverse". Things are the way they are depending on how we look at them.


4 posted on 05/18/2005 1:25:02 PM PDT by djf (Sheep logic, or why sheep aren't mathematicians: I'll give up my freedom to preserve freedom)
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To: roaddog727
If I recall correctly, Bohm was a communist and was suspected of spying for the Soviets. Under scrutiny, he fled the US for Brazil in order to avoid interrogation and potential criminal charges.

Bohm's physics theories are worthy of consideration as physics, but I am leery of claims for them as offering spiritual insights. Physics and other sciences have great practical value and a beauty of their own, but they are the wrong place to go for spiritual sustenance.

Bohm's support for communism, likely spying for the Soviets, and search for spirituality through physics all seem of a piece. Discarding traditional religion, Bohm embraced communism and physics as substitutes, which left him without the ordinary good sense to recognize the Soviets as evil and to remain loyal to his own country.
5 posted on 05/18/2005 1:25:49 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: roaddog727

Well--there are problems with Bohm's view--I don't know that there are ways to test it out against other ways of looking at quantum mechanics such as traditional QM where statistical particles end up in a given location as they interact with other "non-local" particle fields but without Bohm's higher realities (or string theories).


6 posted on 05/18/2005 1:25:57 PM PDT by Paul Freedman (Welllll.....)
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To: Rockingham

read my tag


7 posted on 05/18/2005 1:26:37 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (chance is the “magic wand to make not only rabbits but entire universes appear out of nothing.”)
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To: roaddog727

Where's the bit about the number of angels he's determined to sit on the head of a pin?


8 posted on 05/18/2005 1:27:33 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: roaddog727
from the article:

The central underlying theme of Bohm's theory is the "unbroken wholeness of the totality of existence as an undivided flowing movement without borders."

Could this be a possible tie-in to the U.S. immigration policy?

9 posted on 05/18/2005 1:28:06 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: roaddog727

Quantum physics is just the Universe messin' with our heads, man...


10 posted on 05/18/2005 1:30:01 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: expatpat

Also, how does he feel about dead cats?


11 posted on 05/18/2005 1:32:01 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: roaddog727

Interesting post. IMHO, his "spiritualism" sounded a bit like that ancient heresy, Manicheeism, now couched in scientific jargon.


12 posted on 05/18/2005 1:32:51 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: djf
QM deals with events that either happen or don't.

Uhhh? Where did you get that idea from? You need to look at the above propositions 1) and 2) of Quantum Theory again. There is no certainity in QM until you make the measurement -- until then only probabilities.

13 posted on 05/18/2005 1:33:09 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

He's agin 'em, unless they belong to Schrodinger.


14 posted on 05/18/2005 1:34:33 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: roaddog727

It's actually very simple: the independent sub-totality known as David Bohm has ceased relative autonomous activity, effectively overcoming the illusion of manifest versus nonmanifest. Say howdy to the Cosmic Apex for me there, Dave.


15 posted on 05/18/2005 1:37:58 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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To: Sybeck1
Ah, but are the rules of the universe also a matter of chance? And does the role of chance preclude the existence of God? I surmise that for Bohm, both answers were yes.
16 posted on 05/18/2005 1:39:05 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: djf

You might want to check out Dyson's Equation, which describes relativistic quantum mechanics.


17 posted on 05/18/2005 1:42:44 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: RegulatorCountry

LOL! But is he still interacting with all other particles in the universe?


18 posted on 05/18/2005 1:43:48 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: roaddog727; All
As indicated in my first - an interesting, thought provoking read - I neither ascribe to this view nor condemn.

just a post to stir up the dust......

Where's the popcorn .jif when you need one?
19 posted on 05/18/2005 1:45:04 PM PDT by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: djf

"Things are the way they are depending on how we look at them."

Thoughts are things, and reality is, at its base, someting approaching illusion. Time is also illusion. Bringing all this back to the level of reality in which we "sub entities" exist, this can explain the effectiveness of prayer, "curses," "spells" or whatever name you might wish to apply to altering the outward appearance of a probabilistic future set of realities. Or, that's my two cents on the matter, at least. LOL.


20 posted on 05/18/2005 1:45:56 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry (Esse Quam Videre)
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