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LIVE SENATE THREAD: "Nuclear Wednesday" for judicial nominations: C-span 2 - 9:30 am EST
C-span 2 ^ | May 18, 2005

Posted on 05/18/2005 5:48:45 AM PDT by ken5050

Welcome, all you Freepers, to the continuing C-span soap operas about judicial nominations. "The Guiding SEARCHLIGHT, " "As the SENATE Turns, "One NOMINATION to Live" "GERIATRIC Hospital" (for all you Byrd and Lautenberg fans out there). Follow along with us, as the Dems raise the level of histrionics, bloviation, pontification, and all around bad acting to new highs, er, lows...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; allen2008; claudenovak; constitutionaloption; cspan; democratnukereaction; filibuster; georgeallen; may18th2005; reidsnuclearreaction; showdown; ussenate
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To: LisaFab

Criticized 10 Times?

The PFAW ad also says of Owen, the Texas appointee, that “President Bush’s own attorney general criticized her ten times.”

Alberto Gonzales wasn't Bush's attorney general at the time he made the 10 statements PFAW cites. He was serving on the Texas Supreme Court with Owen in 1999 and 2000. In some of his written opinions he did indeed disagree strongly with Owen's legal reasoning, but he never criticized her personally, or by name.

The most often cited legal disagreement is from a 2000 case in which Owen and Gonzales disagreed over whether a minor seeking an abortion was “mature” and “sufficiently well informed” enough for a judge to allow her to have an abortion without notifying a parent under Texas law. A 6-3 majority ruled in favor of the girl – a senior in high school at the time. Gonzales was in the majority.

Owen, however, said the girl wasn't mature or well informed enough because she intended “to continue to seek and take support from her parents” and had “not thoughtfully considered her alternatives,” even though she had talked about adoption with a counselor and a teacher. Gonzales thought that interpretation was too restrictive and went beyond the actual language of the of the Texas law, which requres parental notification of abortions but also allows judges to grant exceptions, or "bypasses," under certain circumstances. Gonzales wrote:

Gonzales, June 22, 2000: …to construe the Parental Notification Act so narrowly as to eliminate bypasses, or to create hurdles that simply are not to be found in the words of the statute, would be an unconscionable act of judicial activism.”

Now that Gonzales is a member of Bush's cabinet he's supporting Owen for the appeals court despite their past disagreements. He said May 9:

Gonzales, May 9, 2005: Judges disagree from time to time on particular issues. . . . That doesn't in any way detract from my view that she would make a terrific a judge on the 5th Circuit. I've never accused her of being an activist judge.

Lawyers are trained to see fine distinctions, so perhaps Gonzales will explain another time how a judge who performs an act of "unconsionable . . . judicial activism" is not an "activist judge." Meanwhile, readers will just have to puzzle that out for themselves.


381 posted on 05/18/2005 7:11:53 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: hobbes1

You're right!!


382 posted on 05/18/2005 7:11:57 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Guenevere

Whatever beverage and munchies you choose, make sure have a lot of it - and a nearby bathroom. This is going to be more like a seige than a rapid strike.

I mostly suggest something that might serve to tranquilize a bit for certain times that will be needed (to save the TV from flying objects) and for me coffee doesn't serve.

Again, I think this stuff is likely not to come to a vote until a week or two from now.


383 posted on 05/18/2005 7:11:58 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: ConservativeMan55

He keeps going to the dictionary.


384 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:03 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: LisaFab

Each judge in CA is voted yea or nay to retain. I don't believe they have opponents. Any corrections from other CA FRers?


385 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:22 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Let's exercise the "Byrd" option!)
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To: Soul Seeker

Reid just said that Janice Rogers Brown has had a vote on the Senate floor---when did that happen?


386 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:25 AM PDT by Txsleuth ( Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice)
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To: Howlin
FactCheck.org - Annenberg Political Fact Check
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Judicial Fight Prompts Duelling, Distorted Ads

Both sides twist facts about Janice Rogers Brown and Priscilla Owen.

May 10, 2005

Modified: May 10, 2005

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Summary

 

Millions are being spent on rival ads supporting and opposing two of President Bush's most controversial judicial selections. Neither ad is completely accurate.

An ad by the pro-Bush group Progress for America implies that Texas judge Priscilla Owen has been endorsed by a newspaper that actually says she's biased in favor of large corporations and "often contorts her rulings" to conform with her conservative outlook.

A rival ad by the liberal People for the American Way quotes Texas judge Janice Rogers Brown as saying seniors "are cannibalizing their grandchildren," without making clear she was speaking metaphorically of debt being passed on to future generations by entitlement programs.

Analysis

 

Progress for America says it is spending $3 million on its ad promoting Bush's nominees, and People for the American Way (PFAW) says their ad is part of a $1 million TV, radio, and print campaign opposing them. Both campaigns are targeting Alaska, Arkansas, Maine, Nebraska, North Dakota, Rhode Island, and People for the American Way's ad is also running on national cable stations.

 Progress for America TV Ad "Fair"

Announcer: If you think judges should be fair and well-qualified, look at these women.

(Image on screen: photographs of Priscilla Owen and Janice Rogers Brown).

Janice Brown is the daughter of sharecroppers. She put herself through school and rose to become the first African-American woman on the California Supreme Court. Brown has won praise from Republicans and Democrats for being fair and honest. Other judges call Janice Brown "suberb" and "extremely intelligent." Priscilla Owen was twice selected to serve on the Texas Supreme Court. Endorsed by major newspapers , Owen got strong bipartisan support and the ABA's highest rating. President Bush nominated them to be federal judges, some as long as four years ago. But Senate Democrats have abused the rules and refused to allow a vote. So courtrooms sit empty, while thousands of Americans have their cases delayed. The job of a US Senator is to vote. Urge your senators to vote, up or down. Enough is enough.

Worse Than We Thought

The Progress for America ad is worse than we thought. We criticized it in a May 6 article  because it misleads by saying that courtroom cases are being delayed when in fact most cases are now decided more quickly than before, and because it blames only Democrats when Republicans themselves blocked Clinton's appointments to some of the same judicial vacancies still being contested.

Now, after further research, we find that the ad also falsely implies that three big Texas newspapers endorsed one of Bush's choices for federal appeals court judge.

"Endorsed"?

The ad says Priscilla Owen is "endorsed by major newspapers." On screen it shows headlines from the Houston Chronicle, Dallas Morning News and San Antonio Express-News. But that gives the false impression that they are endorsing her now.

Those newspapers did endorse Owen several years ago when she was running for election to the Texas State Supreme Court. But they haven't endorsed her for the  job on the Fifth US Circuit Court of Appeals to which President Bush has now appointed her.

One of those newspapers was highly critical of Owen in 2003 after Bush nominated her to the federal appeals court, and another urged the President to make appointments that are more moderate than Owen in order to avoid "gridlock."

The Houston Chronicle said in an editorial May 12, 2003 that Owen's record "gives reason for pause" and that it was "good" that the filibuster blocking her nomination hadn't been ended. It said she has "a penchant for overturning jury verdicts on tortuous readings of the law" and that she has "a distinct bias against consumers and in favor of large corporations."

Houston Chronicle, May 12: The problem is not that Owen is "too conservative," as some of her critics complain, but that she too often contorts her rulings to conform with her particular conservative outlook. It's saying something that Owen is a regular dissenter on a Texas Supreme Court made up mostly of conservatives.

Similarly, the San Antonio Express-News editorialized more than two years ago –April 9, 2003 – that Owen "is known for her conservative activism." The newspaper noted that the same Democrats who filibustered Owen's nomination had voted to approve another, more moderate Bush nominee from Texas, Edward Prado, to the same Fifth US Circuit Court of Appeals. It urged Bush to appoint more moderates like Prado.

San Antonio Express-News, April 9, 2003: Democrats in the Senate appear likely to filibuster Owen's nomination. Once again, the battle over the White House's judicial nominees is gridlocked. To avoid this kind of partisan strife, the Bush administration should employ the Prado strategy for future judicial nominees.

Neither of those is an endorsement of Owen by any stretch.

Praised by Democrats?

The ad also lauds another of Bush's appellate court nominees, Janice Rogers Brown, who currently sits on the California Supreme Court and is nominated for a seat on the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. The ad said she has  “won praise by Republicans and Democrats."   But there's only one Democrat cited by Progress for America –  former Senator Zell Miller, the Georgian who supported President Bush’s reelection campaign, delivered the keynote address at the Republican National Convention and suggested John Kerry would arm the US military with "spitballs."

Cannibalizing Grandchildren?

On the other side, the liberal People for the American Way released an ad May 3 attacking both Owen and Brown.  The PFAW ad says of Brown, "She's so radical that she says, with programs like Social Security and Medicare, seniors are cannibalizing their grandchildren!"

 People for the American Way Ad "What's It Really All About?"

Announcer: What's this filibuster talk really all about? Power. And too much power's a dangerous thing. The Senate's approved more than 200 judges, but these men are all bent out of shape when we question a couple of nominees?

(Images on screen: photos of Tom Delay and Bill Frist)

This one? President Bush's own attorney general criticized her 10 times.

(Image on screen: photo of Priscilla Owen)

Her? She's so radical that she says, with programs like Social Security and Medicare, seniors are cannibalizing their grandchildren!

(Image on screen: Janice Brown)

I say, save the filibuster. Listen: For 200 years it's made sure power doesn't go unchecked.

Actually, Brown was speaking about the debt being passed on to future generations, not suggesting that Medicare or Social Security causes old people to eat human flesh. Here's the full quote from a speech she gave in 2000 before the Institute for Justice:

Brown: My grandparents’generation thought being on the government dole was disgraceful, a blight on the family’s honor. Today’s senior citizens blithely cannibalize their grandchildren because they have a right to get as much “free” stuff as the political system will permit them to extract.

That's certainly a colorful metaphor. Readers can decide for themselves whether the idea being expressed is "radical" or not.

Criticized 10 Times?

The PFAW ad also says of Owen, the Texas appointee, that “President Bush’s own attorney general criticized her ten times.”

Alberto Gonzales wasn't Bush's attorney general at the time he made the 10 statements PFAW cites. He was serving on the Texas Supreme Court with Owen in 1999 and 2000. In some of his written opinions he did indeed disagree strongly with Owen's legal reasoning, but he never criticized her personally, or by name.

The most often cited legal disagreement is from a 2000 case in which Owen and Gonzales disagreed over whether a minor seeking an abortion was “mature” and “sufficiently well informed” enough for a judge to allow her to have an abortion without notifying a parent under Texas law. A 6-3 majority ruled in favor of the girl – a senior in high school at the time. Gonzales was in the majority.

Owen, however, said the girl wasn't mature or well informed enough because she intended “to continue to seek and take support from her parents” and had “not thoughtfully considered her alternatives,” even though she had talked about adoption with a counselor and a teacher. Gonzales thought that interpretation was too restrictive and went beyond the actual language of the of the Texas law, which requres parental notification of abortions but also allows judges to grant exceptions, or "bypasses," under certain circumstances. Gonzales wrote:

Gonzales, June 22, 2000: …to construe the Parental Notification Act so narrowly as to eliminate bypasses, or to create hurdles that simply are not to be found in the words of the statute, would be an unconscionable act of judicial activism.”

Now that Gonzales is a member of Bush's cabinet he's supporting Owen for the appeals court despite their past disagreements. He said May 9:

Gonzales, May 9, 2005: Judges disagree from time to time on particular issues. . . . That doesn't in any way detract from my view that she would make a terrific a judge on the 5th Circuit. I've never accused her of being an activist judge.

Lawyers are trained to see fine distinctions, so perhaps Gonzales will explain another time how a judge who performs an act of "unconsionable . . . judicial activism" is not an "activist judge." Meanwhile, readers will just have to puzzle that out for themselves.

Sources

 

Janice Rogers Brown, “Fifty Ways to Lose Your Freedom,” Speech before the Institute for Justice, Washington, DC, 12 August 2000 .

"An Activist: Owen's record gives reason for pause on judicial post," editorial, Houston Chronicle, 12 May 2003: A18.

"Our Turn: A talke of two Texas Judges," editorial, San Antonio Express-News, 9 April 2003: B6.

"Alberto Gonzales v. Priscilla Owen," People for the American Way, press release, 22 July 2002.

In re Jane Doe,  19 S.W.3d 346, Texas Supreme Court, 22 June 2000.

Michell Mittelstadt, "Texas judge at center of Senate face-off," Dallas Morning News 9 May 2005.


387 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:48 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin

Reid is an idiot.


388 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:54 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Theodore: the GOOD Roosevelt)
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To: Kerretarded
Right. He is the first one to come out and admit they would block judges for ideological reasons! Unprecedented.

Reid keeps reading from his little dictionary.

389 posted on 05/18/2005 7:12:56 AM PDT by LisaFab
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To: LisaFab
"to construe the Parental Notification Act so narrowly as to eliminate bypasses, or to create hurdles that simply are not to be found in the words of the statute, would be an unconscionable act of judicial activism." -

That's it. That is ALL of it. Reid lies again.

390 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:24 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: RobFromGa

I can see Hillary voting for the nuke option. MItch McConnel was on Tony Snow earlier today talking about how there are 5 or 6 "queasy" Democrats who don't like what's been done to the senate, would probably vote for the nuke option.

Not that Hill is queasy but she would do anything she had to if she thought it made her more electable. IMO.


391 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:26 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by The American Democrat Party, also known as Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

reid keeps claiming these people have gotten votes on the Senate floor.

the party of "count the votes" seems to think it okay to disenfranchise 90% of the US Senate.


392 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:33 AM PDT by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: Fudd Fan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/839191/posts


393 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:39 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Frist just made a calm, measured, researched argument and now he's followed by lies, floundering and desperation. This display by Reid is just embarassing. You would think he had least had been prepared for theatrics, but stutters. maybe he relaizes his own state is watching him and his career is going down with every word he speaks.


394 posted on 05/18/2005 7:13:45 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: LisaFab

"This is effectively Frist's first presidential campaign speech."

Time to show strong leadership skills. This country wants a leader and not milquetoast.


395 posted on 05/18/2005 7:14:21 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Bahbah
Who will counter Reid's comments about Gonzales saying Owens is shocking and unconsionable.

If I know Dubya, the comments will be rebutted by Atty Gen Gonzales himself.

When his dissent has been raised in such a high stakes public debate, why shouldn't he clarify the record? We've heard little from him prior to this, but you have to remember that W knows how to hold his cards until the right moment. The Dems and the media have relied on the arcania of that dissent to twist Gonzales' words. I suspect we'll see him clarify before this is all over.

396 posted on 05/18/2005 7:14:29 AM PDT by Timeout (Dean & the Bike Path Left: aging anti-warriors who use "summer" as a verb~~Jonah)
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To: Howlin

thanks, strange doooings , BTW , hope onyx is OK , she had a bad headache


397 posted on 05/18/2005 7:14:37 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: Soul Seeker

Let's count the number of times they say "arrogant."


398 posted on 05/18/2005 7:14:39 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Howlin
Below is the link of the roll call vote for Gonzales. Let's see how many demos who voted against him, now quote him(more like misquote him).

Kennedy and Reid are the first two.

399 posted on 05/18/2005 7:15:00 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Timeout

Dear Harry:

Yes, we ARE going to change the rules.

Live with it.


400 posted on 05/18/2005 7:15:06 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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