Frigidaire Ovens With the Sabbath Mode Feature (G*d is in my oven)

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[FoxPro]

Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.

COOKTOPS:

On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.

On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.

On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.

The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.

OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.

These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.

After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.

WARMING DRAWERS:

The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.

If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.

BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.

[safisoft]

Where did you get this idea anyway?

Your very words for one. You said, "The Law was given to the Jews to demonstrate that it was impossible to be saved by the Law, only condemned by it."

So... are you condemned by the command against lying because you occassionaly have lied, or do you understand that command determines what is RIGHT BEHAVIOR for someone who claims to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Let's be honest. The part of the 'Law' that Christians distain is in fact what they call the "ceremonial" or "ritual" law. That was your knee-jerk reation in your first post about those 'keeping the Sabbath'. Words like 'moral law' and 'ritual law' are extra-biblical words used by dumbfounded theologians to categorize HaShem's commands in ways He never did. In fact, if you begin to go down the list, you begin to see that whatever a Christian theologian categorizes as 'ritual' or 'ceremonial' - is in fact something that Christians identify as 'Jewish' stuff. Notice:

Adultery = Christian theologians say, "moral law"
Murder = "" "" say, "moral law"
Bearing false witness = "" "" say, "moral law"
Profaning the Name = "" "" say, "moral law"
Stealing = "" "" say, "moral law"
etc. Keeping the Sabbath = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Wearing t'fillin = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Wearing tzit-tzit = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Eating only Kosher = "" "" say, "ritual law"

So typically, Christians are taught that only some of the 'Law' is valid - and yes, they should do it as a result of 'faith' - however IF ANYONE SHOULD KEEP THOSE OTHER PARTS OF THE LAW - that is NOT FAITH, it is WORKS, and for that reason THOSE THINGS BRING CONDEMNATION.

Sorry, the 'Law', the Torah, is 100% good. It is 100% valid, and it is the declaration of HaShem's righteous standard. If stealing is 'moral' - then so is keeping the Sabbath.

I remember a conversation I had with a Christian sister about Leviticus 11 (the commands regarding what is, and isn't food). Her reply, "Christian eating only Kosher! That's funny. That is Jewish". The point is, that neither Rabbi, nor Christian pastor wants their people to ask these questions - because as long as there is a distance between us, all the better. I strongly disagree.

[rmlew]

I believe that stoning is the punishment set forth in the Torah for rape.
Israel does not follow Halakha. Under Israeli law, the death penalty is limited to crimes against humanity.

[Praxeus]

Safisoft..

Not all of Christianity has been antisemitic. Admittedly most, especially the mainline denominations, have. But the Christian scriptures do not permit it. Never did.

My belief re Jews is that they are God's to deal with. They are specifically God's chosen and Christianity is not going to change that. No.. I do not believe in replacement theology.

Our disagreement has been, is, and always will be the issue of Messiah. When he comes, we'll find out who's right.. eh?

In any case, yes the Jew's are indeed my brethren. And I mean Jews being Jews, not Jews who convert to Christianity. Jew's have no better friends on earth than my brand of Christian. That's a fact. And it doesn't revolve around some wild-eyed end-time/Israel theology.

And I will take your answer to be "shituf".

[FoxPro]

Well, this was a great thread. Goodnight every body! I learned so much.....

[MarkL]

Do the refrigerators have a Sabbath mode as well? Wouldn't you want the light to stay off when you open the door, otherwise you'd be turning the light on and off (causing work for the invisible penguin who lives in the crisper drawer).

Actually, my grandfather used to unscrew the lightbulb in the refridgerator before the sabbath began, so that when he opened the door, it would not cause the light to come on.

It was considered OK for lights to be on timers, and for things like the refrigerator, AC, or heating to be controled by a thermostat. The difference is that you are taking no direct action to cause "work" to be done (having the heat or AC switch on, or having the oven or refridgerator kick on).

Mark

[Praxeus]

Hey Allie.. how about you? Care to answer #250?

Are all Xtians AZ? And if so, is it specifically because of:

1) Trinity Doctrine
2) Incarnation

I am just looking for good-natured dialog here.

[safisoft]

Our disagreement has been, is, and always will be the issue of Messiah. When he comes, we'll find out who's right.. eh?

Well said. As far as Messiah, only the most liberal do not believe in a literal Messiah coming at a time yet future. In that, many conservative Christians find agreement with conservative/orthodox Jews. The only question is "Who" and has He come before? To that question I would answer the same as you - except I would not say His name was 'Jesus' - but Yeshua. He was and is a Torah-observant Jew - and He did not come to abolish the Torah, but to make it stand up (Deut 13, Deut 18, Matt 5:17-18).

Shalom.

[MarkL]

Can EZ-Bake ovens be kashered?

No, the plastic melts before the desired temperature can be reached.

Mark

[Red Sea Swimmer]

The Kosher laws in the Pentateuch are interesting. However the laws explained in Leviticus 18:6 to 18:18 are far more important in their Halakhic significance.

The famous Jewish Scholars - Ibn Ezra, Maimonides, Nahmanides, Sforno, Keli Yakar and Recanati emphasized the importance of these mitzvot to the physical survival and spiritual growth of the Jewish people. Because so many people have disobeyed these laws, wisdom and insights has been removed from them and they are in divine exile and spiritual karet. The spiritual compasses of so many people are going haywire at the moment because of the cumulative effects of their misdeeds.

[lifelongsoldier]

Webster's definitions will suffice. But I suppose I meant to say that the Chassidim are deemed more observant than other Jews, such as the Karites. What is wrong with Judaism as practiced by the Karites? Are they any less Jewish?

[MarkL]

Here's a thought- What if a microwave or oven has an auto-time feature? Couldn't an observant Jew get around the rules by programming it the day before to come on and turn off on its own during the Sabbath?

It shouldn't be a problem, given the fact that timers are allowed for turning lights on and off in the house.

Mark

[safisoft]

Because so many people have disobeyed these laws, wisdom and insights has been removed from them and they are in divine exile and spiritual karet. The spiritual compasses of so many people are going haywire at the moment because of the cumulative effects of their misdeeds.

I agree. There are mitzvot that carry more weight, and deserve our utmost attention. It is easy to become distracted in many of the details of living a Torah lifestyle. What is important however is a life regulated in normal 'living' as a way to teach us to seek more. The man who steals a penny, will do far more.

[Red Sea Swimmer]

The Kosher laws in the Pentateuch are interesting. However the laws explained in Leviticus 18:6 to 18:18 are far more important in their Halakhic significance.

The famous Jewish Scholars - Ibn Ezra, Maimonides, Nahmanides, Sforno, Keli Yakar and Recanati emphasized the importance of these mitzvot to the physical survival and spiritual growth of the Jewish people. Because so many people have disobeyed these laws, wisdom and insights has been removed from them and they are in divine exile and spiritual karet. The spiritual compasses of so many people are going haywire at the moment because of their previous misdeeds.

[Red Sea Swimmer]

Please excuse the repeat post.

[safisoft]

In answers to your questions regarding penalties for sexual sins, the Hebrew treats such things in ways that English does not. Follow the plurals and singluars in the "you shalls" in the Torah and you will discover that there are individual responsibilities and their are leader responsibilities. We are in need of a Sanhedrin to accomplish the penalties outlined in the Torah. There is a fledgling one in Israel now, so maybe someday...

[Red Sea Swimmer]

The 613 Mitzvot that Maimonides codified in the 12th Century ace excluded many of the mitzvot contained in the Pentateuch. One of the mitzvot that Maimonides excluded was the one about the need to carry a wooden paddle around the camp when one performed one's ablutions. That Mosaic commandment was obviously relevant to the time of the Hebrews in the Sinai desert circa 1300 bce. Maimonides explains in detail that some mitzvot are not relevant to all times and places, while some mitzvot are always relevant to any time and place.

[Red Sea Swimmer]

Moshiach and his Sanhedrin will redeem, i.e. Counter-Balance the evil that has been and is being perpetrated. The unfolding of the true potential of the universe and of humankind is a process.

Things are progressing at a rapid pace right now.

[safisoft]

Maimonides explains in detail that some mitzvot are not relevant to all times and places, while some mitzvot are always relevant to any time and place.

Well, the RAMBAM was not Moshe, but yes your point is well taken. The fact is ALL the mitzvot are valid, however not all are applicable. For example, I am a man, so the mitzvot regarding niddah except where I am addressed as a man do not apply to me.

As for the RAMBAM codifying the 613, that is not quite true, although he is credited with the 13 'I believes', and he did create a detailed list of 613 mitzvot - but he did not come up with it.

[Alouette]

What is wrong with Judaism as practiced by the Karites? Are they any less Jewish?

The Karaite sect was established at about the same time that Islam was spreading throughout the Mideast. The founder of the sect, Hanan, was angry that he was not elected Resh Gelutha (Leader of the Exile Community), so he rejected all of rabbinic law and went off and founded his own schismatic sect. He followed the doctrine of the Sadducees, although the Sadducee sect became extinct after the Roman destruction of Judea.

The Karaites split off from the main faith of Judaism just as Christianity did. They are not any more Jewish than Seventh Day Adventists.

[Red Sea Swimmer]

Moses would turn in his grave at some of the Rabbinical decrees and Judgments that have been formulated throughout the centuries.

The Tanach is higher than the Talmud, like a beautiful, lush tree is much higher and more giving of shade and protection in hot sun than a pesky weed is.