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To: Blood of Tyrants
Where did you get this idea anyway?

Your very words for one. You said, "The Law was given to the Jews to demonstrate that it was impossible to be saved by the Law, only condemned by it."

So... are you condemned by the command against lying because you occassionaly have lied, or do you understand that command determines what is RIGHT BEHAVIOR for someone who claims to follow the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?

Let's be honest. The part of the 'Law' that Christians distain is in fact what they call the "ceremonial" or "ritual" law. That was your knee-jerk reation in your first post about those 'keeping the Sabbath'. Words like 'moral law' and 'ritual law' are extra-biblical words used by dumbfounded theologians to categorize HaShem's commands in ways He never did. In fact, if you begin to go down the list, you begin to see that whatever a Christian theologian categorizes as 'ritual' or 'ceremonial' - is in fact something that Christians identify as 'Jewish' stuff. Notice:

Adultery = Christian theologians say, "moral law"
Murder = "" "" say, "moral law"
Bearing false witness = "" "" say, "moral law"
Profaning the Name = "" "" say, "moral law"
Stealing = "" "" say, "moral law"
etc. Keeping the Sabbath = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Wearing t'fillin = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Wearing tzit-tzit = "" "" say, "ritual law"
Eating only Kosher = "" "" say, "ritual law"

So typically, Christians are taught that only some of the 'Law' is valid - and yes, they should do it as a result of 'faith' - however IF ANYONE SHOULD KEEP THOSE OTHER PARTS OF THE LAW - that is NOT FAITH, it is WORKS, and for that reason THOSE THINGS BRING CONDEMNATION.

Sorry, the 'Law', the Torah, is 100% good. It is 100% valid, and it is the declaration of HaShem's righteous standard. If stealing is 'moral' - then so is keeping the Sabbath.

I remember a conversation I had with a Christian sister about Leviticus 11 (the commands regarding what is, and isn't food). Her reply, "Christian eating only Kosher! That's funny. That is Jewish". The point is, that neither Rabbi, nor Christian pastor wants their people to ask these questions - because as long as there is a distance between us, all the better. I strongly disagree.
261 posted on 05/17/2005 7:59:42 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: safisoft
The Kosher laws in the Pentateuch are interesting. However the laws explained in Leviticus 18:6 to 18:18 are far more important in their Halakhic significance.

The famous Jewish Scholars - Ibn Ezra, Maimonides, Nahmanides, Sforno, Keli Yakar and Recanati emphasized the importance of these mitzvot to the physical survival and spiritual growth of the Jewish people. Because so many people have disobeyed these laws, wisdom and insights has been removed from them and they are in divine exile and spiritual karet. The spiritual compasses of so many people are going haywire at the moment because of the cumulative effects of their misdeeds.
269 posted on 05/17/2005 8:13:58 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: safisoft
The Kosher laws in the Pentateuch are interesting. However the laws explained in Leviticus 18:6 to 18:18 are far more important in their Halakhic significance.

The famous Jewish Scholars - Ibn Ezra, Maimonides, Nahmanides, Sforno, Keli Yakar and Recanati emphasized the importance of these mitzvot to the physical survival and spiritual growth of the Jewish people. Because so many people have disobeyed these laws, wisdom and insights has been removed from them and they are in divine exile and spiritual karet. The spiritual compasses of so many people are going haywire at the moment because of their previous misdeeds.
273 posted on 05/17/2005 8:21:14 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: safisoft

I'll give you one thing, when G-d gave the law to the Jews, many laws benefitied the Jews by commanding them to ritually cleanse theselves and their food in a time when personal hygiene was not considered important. These laws kept the Jews healthier than the average person and allowed them to thrive.

However, it is the focus on the nit-picky details of the law, which many of the Sanhedron used as a weapon to condemn others, such as when the disciples gathered a few grains of wheat on the Sabbath in order to eat, which Jesus Christ condemned. A person's focus should be on loving G-d and His children instead of how to properly operate a gas stove on the Sabbath so as to avoid a very narrow definition of "work".

I do not condemn you for your strict adherence to the law. I have read enough of the bible to know that G-d chose the children of Israel to be His own.


312 posted on 05/18/2005 6:15:56 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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