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Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: Alouette
"As for moving around every stick of furniture in the house, nobody does that."
Ah, but it is permissible. Which is really labor, and which is not? The Creator of the universe and all in it is more rational than the laws the rabbis have foisted on His chosen people. Christians and Jews cannot agree on keeping the Sabbath because they can't even agree on which day IS the Sabbath. At any rate, look to the list of proscribed labors on the Sabbath. Some are sensible, some are not. There are biblical jews who will carry a handkerchief, but will not do labor on the Sabbath. They also do not accept that the proscription against "seething a kid in its mother's milk" forbids them having a cheeseburger. Why are they considered as less spiritual than the Chassidim?
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posted on
05/17/2005 6:07:02 PM PDT
by
lifelongsoldier
(Blessed art Thou oh LORD our GOD, King of the universe, and blessed are Thy chosen people.)
To: newgeezer
Of course you meant offense. Or didn't care if you offended. Same difference IMO
242
posted on
05/17/2005 6:18:13 PM PDT
by
OldFriend
(MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
Comment #243 Removed by Moderator
To: lifelongsoldier
look to the list of proscribed labors on the Sabbath. I have posted that list. All the forbidden labor corresponds to tasks that were performed in the construction of the Tabernacle.
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posted on
05/17/2005 6:23:06 PM PDT
by
Alouette
(Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
Comment #245 Removed by Moderator
To: OldFriend
Of course you meant offense.So, you're calling me a liar?
Or didn't care if you offended. Same difference IMO
Hold on now. Especially since we've both been around here a long time, I'll do you the favor of pointing out that I'm not the one you posted to previously. In other words, I'm not the one who disrespected anyone's beliefs in this thread. All I did was offer my philosophy about respecting people's rights vs. respecting their beliefs (in essence, it's the 'Golden Rule').
Perhaps now you see how you erred and, given that you're a person who's concerned and careful about offending anyone, this is your chance to apologize for your implication that I'm a liar.
Otherwise, tell me what was so offensive in that previous post which made it impossible for you to take me at my word.
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posted on
05/17/2005 6:39:09 PM PDT
by
newgeezer
(Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
To: AppyPappy
As long as you are obeying the rules created hundreds of years ago by bored Rabbis, you are in good shape. I did not realized that gas and electric ranges/ovens existed hundreds of years ago for the Rabbis to tinker with the proper operating procedures.
Man I am such an Neanderthal...
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posted on
05/17/2005 6:39:29 PM PDT
by
danmar
("No person is so grand or wise or perfect as to be the master of another person." Karl Hess)
To: Yehuda
"There are biblical jews who will carry a handkerchief, but will not do labor on the Sabbath. They also do not accept that the proscription against "seething a kid in its mother's milk" forbids them having a cheeseburger." Cheeseburger I can understand. But forbidding chicken parmesan seems a little strange, since chickens are (last I checked) not mammals.
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posted on
05/17/2005 6:49:09 PM PDT
by
supercat
(Sorry--this tag line is out of order.)
To: FoxPro
Can you have sex during Sabbath?
Orthodox Rabbinate Jews consider it a mitzvah(act in accordance with the Law) to have sex during the Sabbath, so long as the wife is not ritually impure due to menses.
Karaites believe that the Sabbath should be dedicated only to God.
Always seemed like work to me....
Then you are either out of shape, or not doing it correctly ;-)
Sex is excercise, not work.
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posted on
05/17/2005 6:54:29 PM PDT
by
rmlew
(Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
To: Yehuda; safisoft
In the both your opinions, is all Christianity AZ?
Is it possible that some branches of Christianity are merely shituf.. not rising to the level of AZ?
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posted on
05/17/2005 6:58:12 PM PDT
by
Praxeus
To: rmlew
Sex is excercise, not work. It can be both. I have done my finest work......
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:09:08 PM PDT
by
FoxPro
(jroehl2@yahoo.com)
To: Yehuda; safisoft
Hello..
I would genuinely appreciate an answer.
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:22:19 PM PDT
by
Praxeus
To: Yehuda
Great commentary, Yehuda!
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:25:05 PM PDT
by
Ziva
(Americans for National Security Rights (http://securityrights.org))
To: safisoft
Traditional Christianity turns the 'Law' on its head and makes obedience to G-d's loving instructions to be something bad, and the rejection of His instructions to be something good.Absolutely incorrect. There is no "traditional Christian" church that teaches that His law can and should to be disobeyed without regard. In fact, it teaches the OPPOSITE. In Romans we are specifically told that we are to be witnesses for G-d every day with our behavior. Where did you get this idea anyway?
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:26:56 PM PDT
by
Blood of Tyrants
(G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
To: Alouette
Thanks for some sanity. The shabbat was not instituted by God to make He nor humans seem like fools. Rather, it is to reflect on the sanctification of human life.
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:37:44 PM PDT
by
onedoug
To: Ziva
Can you answer to post 250?
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:38:31 PM PDT
by
Praxeus
To: Praxeus
Christians are my brothers and sisters. I may not agree with everything that either they or the Rabbis say, but I understand that ultimately, if even unknowingly, they seek HaShem. That is my opinion. In the same manner, I would beg my Christian brothers and sisters to abandon 1,900 years of anti-Semitic theology and look to the Jew as their brother, and in fact their older brother. LOL.
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:43:08 PM PDT
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: supercat
But forbidding chicken parmesan seems a little strange, since chickens are (last I checked) not mammals.
There are some schools, and in fact the Talmud indicates that some of the Sages would agree with you. As it says on the label, "Consult your Rabbi".
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:44:29 PM PDT
by
safisoft
(Give me Torah!)
To: Alouette
Your references to Halakha are quaint. The learned Rabbis must have been well rewarded for such important scholarship. Maybe they spent decades contemplating such lofty legal issues ? Who knows ?
By the way, jurisprudence is my specialty.
How much do you know about the Halakahic interpretations regarding sexual abuse of a child ?
Do you know what punishment is recommended in the Pentateuch for this crime ?
How many adults in the Holy Land have sexually abused a child ?
How many acts of child sexual abuse have been committed ?
How much rope would be needed to strangle the perpetrators of such acts in the Holy Land ?
What are the opinions of the Chief Rabbis of the State of Israel on this very important commandment ?
P.S. As Napoleon said, "Strategy is the art of using time and space well."
The Master of the Universe is the Grand Strategist. He will soon cast judgment on how time and space is used in the Holy Land.
To: supercat
Cheeseburger I can understand. But forbidding chicken parmesan seems a little strange, since chickens are (last I checked) not mammals.
This one is complex.
To my knowledge (I am sure that Yehuda or Alouette could correct me) birds and fish are not classified the same way that cattle or sheep are. There is no rule against having chicken with milk. However, many Rabbis opoosed eating dairy with fowl as it confused people.
Karaites who do not adhere to the Oral Law are rather literal. The commandment in the Torah is to not boil a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk. A Karaite could eat a hamburger so long as the cheese did not come from the mother cow, but would eat dove parmesian not chicken. However Karaites do not eat chicken as it is a species not mentioned in the Torah. Rabbinate Jews eat all fowl.
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posted on
05/17/2005 7:59:18 PM PDT
by
rmlew
(Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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