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Frigidaire Ovens With the Sabbath Mode Feature (G*d is in my oven)
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Posted on 05/17/2005 12:34:50 PM PDT by FoxPro

Please be aware that there are restrictions in the use of ovens and stoves on the Sabbath and Holidays. If you are unfamiliar with the laws of keeping food warm on the Sabbath or cooking on the Holidays, please call your Rabbi. Please note that when the Holiday and Sabbath coincide, the Sabbath laws prevail. See your owner's manual for instructions on operating the Sabbath mode. Before first use of a new oven be sure to wash the racks and interior of the oven thoroughly with warm water and soap to remove any coating oil.

COOKTOPS:

On the Sabbath, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off.

On the Sabbath, a "blech" should be used to cover the flame in addition to covering the controls of the cooktop. For the gas burners and coiled electric burners, use a standard "blech". The manufacturer does not recommend putting a "blech" on the glass electric cooktop surface. Instead, just the controls should be covered.

On the Holidays, a gas flame or electric heat may not be initiated or turned completely off. For gas cooktops, raise and lower the temperature as required for cooking. For electric cooktops adjusting the temperature is permitted at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

During a power failure, gas cooktops will remain on, whereas electric cooktops will shut off and remain off when the power returns.

The glass electric cooktops cannot be kashered for Passover. For the rest of the year, be sure to wipe the cooking surface clean between meat and dairy use.

OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

All food should be placed in the oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed, and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

These ovens have a timed bake feature in the Sabbath mode. This feature can only be initiated before the Sabbath/Holiday. Once timed bake goes off, the oven cannot be used again for that Sabbath/Holiday.

These ovens have a delay start feature in the Sabbath mode. For use on the Sabbath, all food must be in the oven before the Sabbath begins.

After recovery from a power failure, all these ovens will stay off. They will remain in the Sabbath mode, however, there will be no cooking capability.

WARMING DRAWERS:

The drawer temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the drawer controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the warming drawer before the Sabbath begins, as in a regular oven, since none may be placed in the drawer during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the drawer may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the drawer may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, raising the temperature is not permitted because there is no indication when power is on to the heating elements. Lowering the temperature is permitted when necessary for food preparation.

If the power fails when the warming drawer is ON, when the power returns, the drawer will return to its previous ON setting.

BAKE-N-WARM™ OVENS:

The oven temperature may not be initiated, adjusted or turned off on the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, in lieu of a "blech", the oven controls should be covered. (Be careful not to cover vent openings.)

Food should be placed in the Bake-n-Warm™ oven before the Sabbath begins, since none may be placed in the oven during the Sabbath.

On the Sabbath, the oven door may only be opened once, all the food removed and then closed. On the Holidays, the oven door may be opened/closed at any time as often as desired.

On the Holidays, the temperature may be adjusted (but not initiated or turned off) at any time following the instructions in the owner's manual (because there is a delay between the request and implementation).

After recovery from a power failure, these Bake & Warm™ ovens will stay off.


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To: Alouette

"As for moving around every stick of furniture in the house, nobody does that."

Ah, but it is permissible. Which is really labor, and which is not? The Creator of the universe and all in it is more rational than the laws the rabbis have foisted on His chosen people. Christians and Jews cannot agree on keeping the Sabbath because they can't even agree on which day IS the Sabbath. At any rate, look to the list of proscribed labors on the Sabbath. Some are sensible, some are not. There are biblical jews who will carry a handkerchief, but will not do labor on the Sabbath. They also do not accept that the proscription against "seething a kid in its mother's milk" forbids them having a cheeseburger. Why are they considered as less spiritual than the Chassidim?


241 posted on 05/17/2005 6:07:02 PM PDT by lifelongsoldier (Blessed art Thou oh LORD our GOD, King of the universe, and blessed are Thy chosen people.)
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To: newgeezer

Of course you meant offense. Or didn't care if you offended. Same difference IMO


242 posted on 05/17/2005 6:18:13 PM PDT by OldFriend (MAJOR TAMMY DUCKWORTH.....INSPIRATIONAL)
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To: lifelongsoldier
look to the list of proscribed labors on the Sabbath.

I have posted that list. All the forbidden labor corresponds to tasks that were performed in the construction of the Tabernacle.

244 posted on 05/17/2005 6:23:06 PM PDT by Alouette (Muslims bite the hand that feeds them, and kiss the boot that kicks them.)
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To: OldFriend
Of course you meant offense.

So, you're calling me a liar?

Or didn't care if you offended. Same difference IMO

Hold on now. Especially since we've both been around here a long time, I'll do you the favor of pointing out that I'm not the one you posted to previously. In other words, I'm not the one who disrespected anyone's beliefs in this thread. All I did was offer my philosophy about respecting people's rights vs. respecting their beliefs (in essence, it's the 'Golden Rule').

Perhaps now you see how you erred and, given that you're a person who's concerned and careful about offending anyone, this is your chance to apologize for your implication that I'm a liar.

Otherwise, tell me what was so offensive in that previous post which made it impossible for you to take me at my word.

246 posted on 05/17/2005 6:39:09 PM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary.)
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To: AppyPappy
As long as you are obeying the rules created hundreds of years ago by bored Rabbis, you are in good shape.

I did not realized that gas and electric ranges/ovens existed hundreds of years ago for the Rabbis to tinker with the proper operating procedures.

Man I am such an Neanderthal...

247 posted on 05/17/2005 6:39:29 PM PDT by danmar ("No person is so grand or wise or perfect as to be the master of another person." Karl Hess)
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To: Yehuda
"There are biblical jews who will carry a handkerchief, but will not do labor on the Sabbath. They also do not accept that the proscription against "seething a kid in its mother's milk" forbids them having a cheeseburger."

Cheeseburger I can understand. But forbidding chicken parmesan seems a little strange, since chickens are (last I checked) not mammals.

248 posted on 05/17/2005 6:49:09 PM PDT by supercat (Sorry--this tag line is out of order.)
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To: FoxPro
Can you have sex during Sabbath?
Orthodox Rabbinate Jews consider it a mitzvah(act in accordance with the Law) to have sex during the Sabbath, so long as the wife is not ritually impure due to menses.
Karaites believe that the Sabbath should be dedicated only to God.

Always seemed like work to me....
Then you are either out of shape, or not doing it correctly ;-)
Sex is excercise, not work.
249 posted on 05/17/2005 6:54:29 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: Yehuda; safisoft

In the both your opinions, is all Christianity AZ?

Is it possible that some branches of Christianity are merely shituf.. not rising to the level of AZ?


250 posted on 05/17/2005 6:58:12 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: rmlew
Sex is excercise, not work.

It can be both. I have done my finest work......

251 posted on 05/17/2005 7:09:08 PM PDT by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: Yehuda; safisoft

Hello..

I would genuinely appreciate an answer.


252 posted on 05/17/2005 7:22:19 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Yehuda

Great commentary, Yehuda!


253 posted on 05/17/2005 7:25:05 PM PDT by Ziva (Americans for National Security Rights (http://securityrights.org))
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To: safisoft
Traditional Christianity turns the 'Law' on its head and makes obedience to G-d's loving instructions to be something bad, and the rejection of His instructions to be something good.

Absolutely incorrect. There is no "traditional Christian" church that teaches that His law can and should to be disobeyed without regard. In fact, it teaches the OPPOSITE. In Romans we are specifically told that we are to be witnesses for G-d every day with our behavior. Where did you get this idea anyway?

254 posted on 05/17/2005 7:26:56 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Alouette

Thanks for some sanity. The shabbat was not instituted by God to make He nor humans seem like fools. Rather, it is to reflect on the sanctification of human life.


255 posted on 05/17/2005 7:37:44 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Ziva

Can you answer to post 250?


256 posted on 05/17/2005 7:38:31 PM PDT by Praxeus
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To: Praxeus
Christians are my brothers and sisters. I may not agree with everything that either they or the Rabbis say, but I understand that ultimately, if even unknowingly, they seek HaShem. That is my opinion. In the same manner, I would beg my Christian brothers and sisters to abandon 1,900 years of anti-Semitic theology and look to the Jew as their brother, and in fact their older brother. LOL.
257 posted on 05/17/2005 7:43:08 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: supercat
But forbidding chicken parmesan seems a little strange, since chickens are (last I checked) not mammals.

There are some schools, and in fact the Talmud indicates that some of the Sages would agree with you. As it says on the label, "Consult your Rabbi".
258 posted on 05/17/2005 7:44:29 PM PDT by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Alouette
Your references to Halakha are quaint. The learned Rabbis must have been well rewarded for such important scholarship. Maybe they spent decades contemplating such lofty legal issues ? Who knows ?

By the way, jurisprudence is my specialty.

How much do you know about the Halakahic interpretations regarding sexual abuse of a child ?

Do you know what punishment is recommended in the Pentateuch for this crime ?

How many adults in the Holy Land have sexually abused a child ?

How many acts of child sexual abuse have been committed ?

How much rope would be needed to strangle the perpetrators of such acts in the Holy Land ?

What are the opinions of the Chief Rabbis of the State of Israel on this very important commandment ?

P.S. As Napoleon said, "Strategy is the art of using time and space well."

The Master of the Universe is the Grand Strategist. He will soon cast judgment on how time and space is used in the Holy Land.

259 posted on 05/17/2005 7:57:44 PM PDT by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: supercat
Cheeseburger I can understand. But forbidding chicken parmesan seems a little strange, since chickens are (last I checked) not mammals.

This one is complex.
To my knowledge (I am sure that Yehuda or Alouette could correct me) birds and fish are not classified the same way that cattle or sheep are. There is no rule against having chicken with milk. However, many Rabbis opoosed eating dairy with fowl as it confused people.

Karaites who do not adhere to the Oral Law are rather literal. The commandment in the Torah is to not boil a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk. A Karaite could eat a hamburger so long as the cheese did not come from the mother cow, but would eat dove parmesian not chicken. However Karaites do not eat chicken as it is a species not mentioned in the Torah. Rabbinate Jews eat all fowl.
260 posted on 05/17/2005 7:59:18 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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