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Buchanan sees 'war' within conservatism
The Washington Times ^ | May 17, 2005 | Ralph Z. Hallow

Posted on 05/17/2005 6:15:46 AM PDT by sawdust

Pat Buchanan speaks of American conservatism in the past tense. "The conservative movement has passed into history," says the one-time White House aide, three-time presidential candidate, commentator and magazine publisher. "It doesn't exist anymore as a unifying force," he says in an interview with The Washington Times. "There are still a lot of people who are conservative, but the movement is now broken up, crumbled, dismantled." Mr. Buchanan, a former adviser to Presidents Nixon, Ford and Reagan, says conservatism "is at war with itself over foreign policy, over deficit hawks versus supply-siders." Unnamed phonies, he suggests, have infiltrated the movement. There are "a lot of people who call themselves conservative but who, on many issues, I just don't consider as conservative. They are big-government people."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: aliens; betrayal; crank; end; exhaustion; gop; immigration; itsallaboutme; offhismeds; onsetofalzheimers; patbuchanan; soreloser; takemyballandgohome
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To: sawdust

I don't think Pat really understands what conservatism is. It was never a fascist movement, nor was it a movement that Pat could turn into fascists. It's the same misunderstanding alot of ignorant lefties have. That's why he's frustrated.


121 posted on 05/17/2005 11:00:25 AM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: jmc813

"folks who consider themselves small-l libertarians or, more recently, South Park conservatives are, in my opinion, far more conservative than your typical mainstream Republican."

The label "Conservative" is too hard to define. It doesn't really mean anything in the literal sense. If by conservative you mean the roots of the conservative movement from the days of Goldwater, then yes... libertarians are alot more conservative.


122 posted on 05/17/2005 11:02:34 AM PDT by Betaille (Harry Potter is a Right-Winger)
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To: New Orleans Slim

Just catching up to this post, but you hit it right on the head. Perfect description. Pat Buchanan is by no means a small-government person, except perhaps in his vivid imagination.


123 posted on 05/17/2005 11:06:53 AM PDT by speedy
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To: jveritas
"The Republican Party is in power because they were able to get ride of someone like Buchanan who only appeals to less than 1% of the voters."

You gotta quit drinking the battery acid...Most Buchananites voted for Bush to keep Kerry out of office...A lot of conservative leaning Democrats voted for Bush to keep Kerry out...There isn't enough of a Republican, let alone conservative base to elect a Republican President...

You don't have a clue how many people support American sovereignty as well as Buchanan's ideals...But I have a feeling you're going to find out come next election...

124 posted on 05/17/2005 11:08:53 AM PDT by Iscool (You mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park!!!)
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To: finnman69

I believe Pat is right about a lot of big shots in the Republican party are Pro Abortion. That IS a problem. ON the other hand, the RNC 2004, was the biggest can of butt wupp ever opened up on the Dems. When McCain called out Moore(on), when Zell Miller gave that tremendous Marine Corp Figting Spirit, well wew,, that was beeeeeeutifull.

As long as we keep that fighting Spirit we showed in the RNC, we will lead the way.


125 posted on 05/17/2005 11:24:54 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Betaille
I don't think Pat really understands what conservatism is.

LOL! You have my vote for the stupidest thing said on this forum since I've been here.

126 posted on 05/17/2005 11:37:24 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: Wuli
I for one am glad that conservatives and Republicans are not synonymous;

I think most liberal/socialist, big government, profiteering, political opportunists feel that way.

127 posted on 05/17/2005 11:46:42 AM PDT by eskimo
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To: Sangria

Open your eyes.He is being positive, positive about the need for a conservative movement to re-emerge within our nation. The conservative elements of our nation are often times very questionable. Few of the current conservative leaders would fit in with Reagan's political philosophy.


128 posted on 05/17/2005 11:48:27 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: MsJefferson

I think that's why we have the Constitution, which is a moral document -- which combines both Christian morals with Enlightenment philosophy -- you're right -- it is a moral stance -- but the only moral stance I care about is already layed out in the Constitution. It is, of course, lucky that we have a morality spelled out for us.




Agreed, our constitution enshrines a moral view rooted in the understanding of human dignity endowed by our creator. That dignity can only be realized by the excercise of free will, which is why such a moral view allows VERY little room for coercion. Just because something in moral does not mean that it should be politically mandated, or that which is immoral politically prohibited. (Laws against force or fraud being the exception)


129 posted on 05/17/2005 11:48:32 AM PDT by rob777
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To: Iscool; jveritas
You don't have a clue how many people support..a well as Buchanan's ideals...

I do; exactly one percent.

130 posted on 05/17/2005 11:49:20 AM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: eskimo
"it's not what they SAY, it's THEM."

Guess you have to be "cute" to get elected to office now that women are the majority in the USA. Great from now on with will have "cute" presidents like W, I kinda like to return to electing the best man, not the prettiest.

131 posted on 05/17/2005 11:56:53 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: sawdust
"Buchanan sees 'war' within conservatism"

He ought to know, he's the one fueling it and leading the extremist in third parties.

132 posted on 05/17/2005 11:58:20 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: sawdust

Go Pat Go!

Speaking the truth.

Too bad he's just casting pearls before swine.


133 posted on 05/17/2005 11:59:32 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: jveritas
Doom and gloom because the bitter losers can never and will never have any power, they are nobody.

Power? Winning?

Does principle factor into your equation in any way?

Or is politics to you some kind of perpetual NFL?

134 posted on 05/17/2005 12:00:48 PM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan.)
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To: eskimo

I am neither liberal, socialist, or in favor of big government. Nor am I a "profiteering political opportunist". I figure that if conservatives and Republicans were thought to be synonomous, it would only be because conservatives had quit fighting for conservative postions among Republicans; because there is no way in a real world for all Republicans to be conservative. If conservatives ever believe they have reached that point, they will be in acceptance of a myth and no longer fighting for conservative positions. At that point, Buchanan's current lament would come to pass.


135 posted on 05/17/2005 12:03:41 PM PDT by Wuli (The democratic basis of the constitution is "we the people" not "we the court".)
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To: eskimo

Some might say that a guy who aligns himself with a Black Power, lesbian, Marxist is "anti-conservative". Apparently no Buchanan cultist will admit it though.


136 posted on 05/17/2005 12:04:02 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: jpsb
Guess you have to be "cute" to get elected to office now that women are the majority in the USA.

Perhaps the resistance to giving women the right to vote was indeed a logical step to preserving our republic. Just a thought.

Great from now on with will have "cute" presidents like W, I kinda like to return to electing the best man, not the prettiest.

Those who live in "fantasy land" don't seem to agree. They obviously do not mind being duped.

137 posted on 05/17/2005 12:07:18 PM PDT by eskimo
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To: Wuli
I am neither liberal, socialist, or in favor of big government. Nor am I a "profiteering political opportunist".

I'm sorry. Perhaps you are just confused.

138 posted on 05/17/2005 12:09:10 PM PDT by eskimo
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To: eskimo
Abe Lincoln, George Washington, Eisenhower, Jefferson, Adams, Truman, T.R. could never be elected today.

Too bald or not cute enough.

We lucked out with Ronnie, he was handsome and smart.

Maybe we can find an American Maggie Thatcher.
139 posted on 05/17/2005 12:10:20 PM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: Sangria

Ye gads...you beat me to it. :) I was reading that and the same thought came to mind... For heaven's sakes Pat shut the heck up. He has NOTHING constructive to say and he is constantly negative on everything. I'm sick of hearing his tidbits of nothingness. He's sooooo passe.!


140 posted on 05/17/2005 12:11:13 PM PDT by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know! :))
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