Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Loss of Civility - We Are One Zotted Family
counterbias.com ^ | April 27 2005 | Steve Horowitz

Posted on 05/15/2005 8:15:51 AM PDT by one happy family of man

For those hoping that a second term would cool the seething resentment of George Bush and his supporters over having to live in a democratic society, it was a sobering moment:

Bush Resubmits 20 Nominations for Federal Judgeships

Dec. 23 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. President George W. Bush will resubmit 20 federal judicial nominations, reigniting a battle with Democrats who accuse the nominees of hostility to abortion rights and the environment.

The list includes seven of the 10 candidates whose nominations failed during Bush's first term because of Democratic filibusters that blocked Senate confirmation votes. Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid called the nominees "extremist'' and said the Senate shouldn't reconsider them.

We shouldn't have been surprised. George Bush has been nothing if not consistent in his determination to brush aside anyone who disagrees with him and get his way, no matter what the consequences. That consistency goes a long way toward explaining not only why so many Americans hate Bush – and why so many people in other nations hate America – but why civil debate in this country has gone the way of moderate Republicans.

Bush didn't just make a point of nominating a number of judges whose views were well outside reasonable expectations of impartiality, fairness and moderation; after the constitutional process had run its course, and the Senate had approved 106 of Bush's 131 federal nominations, he used the rejection of his most extreme nominees to attack Democrats as "obstructionists."

In other words: A branch of government did its job. Bush and his party didn't like the results. But rather than seeking common ground with less objectionable nominations – such compromise being the greatest strength of the world's pre-eminent democratic government – Bush promptly resubmitted the unacceptable ones.

Now Tom DeLay, Bush's top thug in Congress, is following the lead of his party's leader by personally attacking judges – including at least one Supreme Court justice – whose decisions he disagrees with.

How does one engage in "civil" debate with elected officials who have made defiance, obstinacy and unwillingness to compromise official policy?

They made war on Iraq when the rest of the world urged restraint and patience. When the UN wouldn't endorse the aggression, Bush's axis of dweebils attacked it with a campaign of hostility and ridicule – a campaign that continues over two years later with the nomination of the suitably belligerent and intolerant John Bolton to be our ambassador.

Bolton's confirmation hearings have told us everything there is to know about the loss of civility. There was Foreign Relations chairman Richard Lugar declaring that confirmation was inevitable because there are more Republicans on his committee than Democrats; saying, in effect, that nothing actually discussed or revealed in the hearings actually mattered, as Republicans will blindly support anything Bush says, does or wants – the larger good of the country and the world be damned.

(News Flash: Allegations Thursday from a former ambassador that Bolton lied in his confirmation testimony, coming on top of the nominee's history of contempt for international institutions, abuse of subordinates and throwing things at people who disagree with him may have, at long last, imperiled his confirmation, though not irretrievably. Never underestimate the power of unapologetic partisanship.)

You'll recall that Bill Clinton promised to end the ban on gays in the military, but compromised in the face of strong opposition. And that he tried to reform health care, but accepted defeat when it became clear that America wasn't ready. And that the first President Bush reversed himself – fatally, in terms of his prospects for a second term – when economic reality and a concern for the welfare of the country compelled him to raise taxes. And that Ronald Reagan acknowledged that "mistakes were made" in the Iran-Contra scandal. And that JFK swiftly shouldered responsibility for the failed Bay of Pigs invasion.

Those men, whatever their faults, at least had a basic respect for the particular genius of a political system based on compromise and artful persuasion. But W never learned that respect. Never even tried. Like most people of meager intellect, limited curiosity and even more limited competence, he's too insecure to see compromise and persuasion based on the strength of ideas as anything but marks of weakness. Once he makes a decision – which he does on the basis of the few facts he is able to absorb and his "gut instincts" (see Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack") – he's afraid to deviate from it, fearing that everyone (not just 48 percent of the electorate and the entire rest of the world) will recognize him for the fraud he is.

So, again: How do you civilly engage people who, owing to well-founded insecurities and long-standing, deeply ingrained hate, have declared war on the most vital precepts of constitutional government, and have consistently put political gain ahead of the national interest?

You don't. You can't, the way you can't have fulfilling, mutually satisfying sex with someone who finds you physically repugnant. The way you can't reason with psychotics; to wit:

"[Former Bush Treasury Secretary] Paul O’Neill – God love him – he just didn’t get it. Some of the stuff in that book did not happen. Suskind knows how to sell books. I think he made stuff up. Richard Clarke [former counterterrorism czar in the Clinton and Bush administrations] used to be a friend of mine. Most of the stuff I was there for. Some of the stuff in that book did not happen." -- Republican strategist and author Mary Matalin on books critical of the Bush administration by insiders Paul O'Neill (with Ron Suskind) and Richard Clarke.

Two respected public servants – both Republicans – tell similar tales of Bush administration deceit and ineptitude, and the conservative response is ... what else? Attack and deny.

It's the only response available to rigid, brutish ideologues. And it's a hell of a lot easier than rational, civil debate.

All of which begs the question: Is a return to some degree of civility even possible in our political debate?

No. Not as long as you have the Senate majority leader joining Christian extremists in a church pulpit to claim Democrats are "against people of faith."

And nuts like Sen. John Cornyn suggesting a link between the recent murders of a judge, another judge's family members and courtroom staff and so-called "judicial activism."

Yet their may be reason to hope. If Americans pay attention to the way Republicans are subverting our most cherished values – fairness, fiscal responsibility, separation of powers, and independent judiciary, separation of church and state – next year's midterm elections may yield some progress in a return to civil – and rational – discourse.

Current, real-life example: To see how hate and ignorance have poisoned political debate at the lowest levels of society, check out the reaction of the crew at FreeRepublic.com to news that Rep. Henry Waxman is accusing the Bush administration – based on its admitted record of inaccuracy – of trying to conceal the true number of terrorist incidents.

Attack and deny, attack and deny.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aislefive; anotherloser; awsomerant; callawambulance; civility; countingdown; dutroll; gorelostgetoverit; growingupzotti; ijit; imsolonely; kerryvoter; kittybarf; kittychow; kittylitter; kittypoo; kittyvomit; kittyzot; moveonmoron; mymommysaysimspecial; mynameiskerry; nomynameishillary; noonelikesme; reidisaloser; reidsuckstoo; signeduptoposttthis; stopcryingyoubaby; troll; usuk; waa; waaaa; waaaaa; waaaaaa; waaaaaaa; waaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa; waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa; waitingforzot; zot; zotalotadingdong; zotmedaily; zotmehard; zotmelongtime; zotmesohardithurts; zotmetillipuke; zotsfortots; zotterella; zotterrella; zotty
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-88 next last
To: Lady Jag

61 posted on 05/15/2005 8:51:36 AM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man

mmmmmmmm...I want one one happy family of man meal, a large coke, and a frostie....oh, and an apple pie


62 posted on 05/15/2005 8:52:32 AM PDT by woofie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Justanobody
So glad I made it before the Zot.

Not quite. Better luck next time!

63 posted on 05/15/2005 8:52:47 AM PDT by rogue yam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 59 | View Replies]

To: AZHua87
in before the ZOTTTTT!!!!!

Folks, please! Check the keywords for "ZOT."

64 posted on 05/15/2005 8:54:52 AM PDT by rogue yam
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man
Image hosted by Photobucket.comImage hosted by Photobucket.comImage hosted by Photobucket.com

65 posted on 05/15/2005 8:58:37 AM PDT by itsamelman (“Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh.” -- Al Swearengen)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: PilloryHillary

That is one AWESOME rant! I love where the links go. Most Excellent! Creative. Stunning. I bow before you, your Humble Servant. ;)


66 posted on 05/15/2005 8:58:38 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: All
Looks like one happy family of man is now one unhappy family of man

*snicker*

67 posted on 05/15/2005 8:59:54 AM PDT by Kaslin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: Enterprise
I had to laugh. I visited the DUmmies last week and caught them in the middle of debating the admin's "plea for civility" amongst them. They couldn't even get through that conversation without telling each other to shut the heck up.

Manners and civility are long gone from the party that blew it by letting the immaturity of the leftists govern it.

68 posted on 05/15/2005 9:01:38 AM PDT by sageb1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man

69 posted on 05/15/2005 9:01:46 AM PDT by John Lenin (The Mainstream Media needs to be crushed !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: XJarhead
I only have one small addition to your statement.
You said, "We have elections to determine the direction this country will take."
It seems to me that the direction was decided a little over 200 years ago with the adoption of the Constitution. Until recently, the only quibble was how to go in that direction. Lately, however, the liberals have been fighting tooth and nail to take us in a different direction, one confirmed by history to be wrong. Now the elections are to try to keep us going in the direction that we know always works, or to take a sharp left turn to our downfall.
70 posted on 05/15/2005 9:02:39 AM PDT by wolfpat (dum vivimus, vivamus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man

Here's a brain-teaser for folks like you: What color am I typing? Hint: it's not REALLY a color!

Your ZOT is showing.


71 posted on 05/15/2005 9:05:11 AM PDT by AmericanChef
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man; All
Current, real-life example: To see how hate and ignorance have poisoned political debate at the lowest levels of society, check out the reaction of the crew at FreeRepublic.com to news that Rep. Henry Waxman is accusing the Bush administration – based on its admitted record of inaccuracy – of trying to conceal the true number of terrorist incidents

What is it with liberals and run on sentences?
72 posted on 05/15/2005 9:08:59 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man

Umm, dude, to see hate poisoning politics, look at Mr Reid.


73 posted on 05/15/2005 9:08:59 AM PDT by Darksheare (What do you mean I'm that old? I am not! You can't prove it! I'm telling!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man

PIFFLE..


74 posted on 05/15/2005 9:11:09 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: sageb1

I agree. It's hard for them to break a behavioral lack of "manners and civility" which has gone on for decades. There may have been a point in time when this could have been stopped. But too many people would have had to agree to be mature and sincere. And Reid is a fantastic example of why this was, and is, still not possible.


75 posted on 05/15/2005 9:21:41 AM PDT by Enterprise (Abortion and "euthanasia" - the twin destroyers of the Democrat Party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: Vision

excessive use of adjectives = spin


76 posted on 05/15/2005 9:39:46 AM PDT by sageb1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Vision

They hope you stop listening to them before you discover they don't have a real point.


77 posted on 05/15/2005 10:47:55 AM PDT by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Arrowhead1952
Is this a different TROLL ping list than Meekies? If so count me in!      I love the smell of ZOT in the mornin'.

78 posted on 05/15/2005 10:59:54 AM PDT by Allosaurs_r_us (for a fee........I'm happy to be........Your BACKDOOR MAN!....Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Allosaurs_r_us

I have a small list, but we both have several FReepers that are the same. Sometimes he pings me and sometimes I ping him. Just depends who finds the trolls first.


79 posted on 05/15/2005 11:02:54 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Give Byrd the Byrd option now.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: one happy family of man

"whose views were well outside reasonable expectations of impartiality, fairness and moderation;"


I get a kick out of the liberals thinking they are the only ones without impartiality and with fairness and moderation, considering they think teaching homosexual sex acts to 5 year olds is "impartiality", who think banning religion is "fairness", and banning guns based on false beliefs is "moderation".

Liberals are the dumbest creatures on Earth. Ever.


80 posted on 05/15/2005 11:06:17 AM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-88 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson