UN finds Kosovo mass grave in ex-rebel stronghold

Reuters ^

[Alex Marko]

MALISEVO, Serbia and Montenegro, May 14 (Reuters) - United Nations forensics experts are exhuming bodies presumed to be Serbs from a mass grave in the Kosovo town of Malisevo, the second such find in a month, officials said on Saturday.

"There are multiple remains of bodies and at least two complete bodies," said Marcia Poole, spokeswoman for the U.N. mission which has run the Balkan province since the 1998-99 war.

"They are presumed to be Serbs missing since 1998."

A second U.N. source told Reuters: "There are six or seven bodies, and counting." He said some had been found with their hands tied.

Some 3,000 people are still missing from the conflict between Serb security forces and ethnic Albanian separatist guerrillas. The vast majority are ethnic Albanians but around 500 Serbs are also missing, feared killed by the rebels.

Marked with tape, the grave site is behind a hospital 100 metres (yards) from the main road in the former rebel stronghold of Malisevo, 45 km (30 miles) southwest of the capital Pristina.

A Jordanian U.N. police unit is guarding the area.

In late April, the U.N. mission said it had exhumed the remains of 22 Serbs from a cave in the western Klina region.

NATO intervened in the Albanian-dominated province in 1999, bombing Serbia for 78 days to drive out Serb forces accused of killing 10,000 Albanian civilians and expelling 800,000.

Six former rebels, including former Kosovo prime minister Ramush Haradinaj, are charged by the U.N. tribunal in The Hague with abducting and killing Serb civilians and so-called Albanian "collaborators".

Serbs and Kosovo Albanians met in March in Belgrade to discuss the issue of missing persons for the first time in a year. The U.N. source said the latest grave finds were not directly related to the resumption of the dialogue.

The subject remains a major obstacle to reconciliation in the province of 2 million people. The West hopes to open talks in the autumn on whether Kosovo becomes independent or remains formally part of Serbia.

[Luigi Vasellini]

I wonder if Clinton ordered his muslim buddies to do this killing!!

[federal]

Every time I think of the USA under the orders of the worst President in American history Bill Clinton bombing our allies the Christian Serbians who were fighting islamist terrorists it makes my heart and conscience heavy with guilt.

The USA have been guilty of numerous mistake but none were any more grievous than that one. Now we have established another Afghanistan in the heart of Eastern Europe.

Just a tragedy...........

[sgtbono2002]

Six or Seven compared to the Mass graves found in Iraq.

They have had Milosovic on trial for 6 years and no conviction. How long before the Saddam trial?

[federal]

I was reading the other day about the trail in Spain of the train bombers. The prosecutor stated that most of the islamic killers involved received their bombmaking training in Kosovo.

[music is math]

Before anyone gets started on the the-serbs-are-so-wonderful circlejerk, may I point out that the serbs are allies of russia; quite frankly they aren't our friends, though Yugo was nonaligned during the cold war at least.

So we've got proto-russians on one side and muslims on the other (now of course we're finding out that bosnia was staked out by al-qaeda years ago... just great).

Based on the above, the best course of action post-1991 would, quite frankly, have been to cordon off serbia and bosnia and let the two malevolents - neither friends of ours - have at it.

[Alex Marko]

Nobody is stating the Serbs are great. I myself am albanian, and i despise the KLA. Kosovo has had alleged links to terror groups, narcotics trafficking, Iran has send money and arms to them, and al qaeda fighters have popped up there. The question remains, who to support? An islamic movement with shady undertones to it and groups who have attacked the US recently? or Serbian christians with limited ties to Russia? I myself would side with the team that is against islamic terror right now. Bosnia itself is a great example. Here you have a country with an islamic base and fighters from arab states. Rumors have it that Bin laden recieved a bosnian passport because of his support there... years later... Madrid train bombers had lived/trained/been supported from cells in that country. Now you make the choice between the lesser of 2 evils currently.

[Alex Marko]

In reference to your Bosnia comment. I find it horrendous that Clinton ok'ed private military corps.(MPRI) to help fight Serbs knowing full well that islamic militants were operating in the area.

[federal]

The fact remains that we bombed the people with the ancestral claim on the region in support of a invading culture of islamic terrorists.

The Serbs were/are fighting the same war we are and we forced them to accept a terrorist training camp on their ancestors land.

There is no way we could have been more wrong. We could have used diplomatic pressure for human rights reform and given the chance the Serbs would have welcomed the USA just as most of Eastern Europe has.

Now we have a little Afghanistan that will one day have to be dealt with.

[snugs]

Many lies have been told over the years about the Serbs and I find it dreadful that my country was also involved in killing them to help out Bill Clinton so that the forecast was taken from other "things" happening to him at home. I know how it hurt the Serb community in London but somehow they remained loyal to Britain and unlike other groups did not cause civil unrest a few demonstrations but nothing more.

Britain has had to suffer though since this travesty and my town amongst many others in the South of England has to put up with large groups of so called Kosovan refugees. As a women these people make me feel uneasy when you see them going around in groups of 3 or 4 or 5.

[federal]

How are things in England? Yours is a great country and a great ally.

Everyone knows the Serbians were governed by the soviet/stalin template and they were certainly involved in many human rights abuses. But what was going on between them and the Albanians was the same war we are fighting now.

They had/have every right to defend their homeland against invasion from racist, bigoted islamic killers. As it turned out the mass graves were really non-existent and the dead were overwhelmingly militant terrorists.

Of course in the USA you'll never read or hear about that in the media, They no longer even talk about Milisovic.

[Luigi Vasellini]

They'll keep goin until they get the result they want. Good dhimmi's!!!!

[snugs]

Indeed I agree

[oilfieldtrash]

I wonder about the timing. Mass graves of Serbs being found now??

This is a way to veto independence for Kosovo which is due to come up this summer. They will say that they are not ready for independence and it will remain a UN protectorate.

[DocRock]

KLA Terrorist Support Kerry!

Here is a low quality, 10 minute edit of only 4 MB for the Bandwidth Challenged: Click on the image.





References:

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1244732004


Here is the website with the 360 MB video:
http://www.vpro.nl/programma/tegenlicht/afleveringen/18793157/

And here is the direct link to the documentary:
http://cgi.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/streams?/tv/vpro/tegenlicht/bb.20040905.asf?title=Bekijk

and here is another link to the documentary:
mms://streams3.omroep.nl/wm/tv/vpro/tegenlicht/bb.20040905.asf

The documentary is mostly in English with Dutch subtitles. After the first few minutes, almost all of the film is in English.

Here is a Washington Times article saying there is a direct connection with Osama Bin Laden.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=00b601be9768%24b3082140%243c5b9ac2%40nikst&rnum=6&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dmay%2B4%2B1999%2Bwashington%2Btimes%2Bosama%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Everything you ever wanted to know about who the KLA is:
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/sirius/KLA-Ideology.html

And here is the fund race link showing the donation on the video:
http://www.fundrace.org/neighbors.php?search=1&type=name&lname=Krasniqi&fname=Florin

[snugs]

As I said before the main problem we have been left with and in fact most of western Europe has been is so called political refugees.

Many of which of course are not and are in fact criminals in their own country. They pay vast sums of money to be smuggled into Britain. In most peoples mind in Britain when you mention immigration problem the first thing they think of is Kosovan.

We occasionally do hear of a few things going on their and every so often we get updates on the trial which somehow I doubt will ever be resolved.

England itself need new fresh strong leadership rather than Clinton's best buddy who at least has had sense to align himself at least with some of his foreign policy with GWB. We desperately need a strong Conservative leader and thank you for your kind words about my country.

[federal]

Yeah I'll bet being a conservative in England the last few years has been hard to take. Are there any potential strong conservatives on the horizon? Correct me if I'm wrong but you did gain some strength from this last election didn't you?

I know one thing I'm still amazed that Tony Blair supported President Bush through all of this, I would have never believed it before 9-11. But some bonds are just to strong to break which is good, and its allowed England to come down on the right side of this battle with islamic facists.

What are the chances of the Kosovians returning? Probably the same as in the USA, slim and none.

[snugs]

Oh yes we did make some gains in the last election which I think shows that there is not that much opposition amongst the everyday Brits to the policy in Iraq because in particular the Conservative Party are the pro Iraq conflict even if they do not agree with how Tony Blair took us to war.

We gained over 30 seats but Blair has a 67 seat majority in parliament and has just created I think it was 27 labour peers in the Lords so that for the first time in history the Labour Party is the largest single party now the in Lords. Overall they are not but this would include the Lib Dems and the judges etc.

Kosovians returning no chance they will cry political persecution etc etc whilst collecting our social security and free medical treatment which despite the problems with the NHS is still a great deal better than they would get in their own country and of course as aliens for some incredible reason they seem to be given preference but then on the other hand if they do have something grim I would rather have them treated quickly than infect the rest of us.

[snugs]

Regarding rising Conservatives I believe the member for Fulham is considered a rising star - MadIvan has more details.

We will be having a leadership contest shortly as Michael Howard feels that he would be too old to fight the next election from the opposition benches and in his own words he does not keep people who fail and he failed to get his party elected so he feels it is time to step aside. Personally I am slightly sad about this as I think in view of expectations of great failure he in fact achieved more than could ever have been expected of him at the last election. He maybe persuaded to stay until it is decided whether or not we are going to have a referendum on the EU Constitution.

My vote would go with John Redwood if he decides to stand but he may be considered to hard line and to right wing we will just have to wait and see. Current favourite is David Davis though.

[Lion in Winter]

Serbia-Montenegro is trying to join the EU and NATO and that is HARDLY to Russia's advantage.