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Poor decision on illegal workers
Concord Monitor online ^ | May 13. 2005 | EDWARD C. MOSCA

Posted on 05/13/2005 5:34:35 PM PDT by Boston Blackie

New Ipswich Police Chief Garrett Chamberlain got a lot of publicity for his stand against illegal immigration. He charged an illegal alien from Mexico with criminal trespass after police found the man with false identification papers and the federal authorities declined to act.

What hasn't gotten much publicity is a recent decision from the New Hampshire Supreme Court involving illegal aliens. It allows illegal immigrants who are injured while working in the state to sue their employers and recover lost earnings, which is lawyer-speak for the amount of money they would have earned had they not been injured. This means that, at the same time Chamberlain and others were working to close the borders to illegal immigrants, the state Supreme Court was flinging open the courthouse doors.

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TOPICS: Government; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: aliens; judiciary; lawsuit; shakedown
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1 posted on 05/13/2005 5:34:35 PM PDT by Boston Blackie
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To: Boston Blackie
Because to "refuse to allow recovery against a person responsible for an illegal alien's employment who knew or should have known of the illegal alien's status would provide an incentive for such persons to target illegal aliens for employment in the most dangerous jobs or to provide illegal aliens with substandard working conditions. It would allow such persons to treat illegal aliens as disposable commodities who may be replaced the moment they are damaged." Translation: Illegal aliens shouldn't be viewed as lawbreakers but as the innocent victims of a cruel, capitalist society.

Logic lost.

2 posted on 05/13/2005 5:40:46 PM PDT by afnamvet (31st Fighter Wing Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 "Return with Honor")
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To: Boston Blackie
"a person responsible for an illegal alien's employment may avoid this situation by refusing to employ the illegal alien in the first place."

This decision might be not so bad if it deters companies from employing illegals who can now take advanatge of the "law" to sue employers based on real or imagined injury. The difficulty is that this might also be interpreted as a good reason for a mass amnesty......

3 posted on 05/13/2005 5:46:55 PM PDT by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Boston Blackie

Why isn't the act of forging identity papers a felony?...

Homeland Security aka border patrol should push to make
the illegal invasion of the United States of America
whose borders they are sworn to protect...A felony

As should refusal to protect our borders by the agents
who have sworn to protect them...also..be a felony level crime.

imo


4 posted on 05/13/2005 5:48:59 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: Boston Blackie

Why isn't the act of forging identity papers a felony?...

Homeland Security aka border patrol should push to make
the illegal invasion of the United States of America
whose borders they are sworn to protect...A felony

As should refusal to protect our borders by the agents
who have sworn to protect them...also..be a felony level crime.

imo


5 posted on 05/13/2005 5:49:18 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: joesnuffy

Double Bump


6 posted on 05/13/2005 5:52:17 PM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: Boston Blackie

Fine. Maybe it will finally dawn on the employer community, who are enabling this whole mess by hiring illegals, that illegals ARE a real cost on their insurance and taxes and payroll, not imported slaves.

Sorry, but it is the employers who create the strongest incentive to come here, NOT government services (although, those help).

Non-fakeable ID and Picture/thumbprint Social Security cards are inexpensive first step.


7 posted on 05/13/2005 5:54:24 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("Sometimes you're windshield, sometimes you' re the bug")
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To: Boston Blackie; Travis McGee

He charged an illegal alien from Mexico with criminal trespass after police found the man with false identification papers and the federal authorities declined to act.



why should WE obey the laws, if the government won't obey them.

The FEDERAL government in rebellion against us.
And not a thing we can really do about it either.

'rule of law?" my ass.
Perhaps if Americans REFUSED to pay any taxes whatsoever and flood the jails with teaparty patriots, until the government actually went to WAR against our invaders from the south as the LAW requires them...

perhaps that would be better than parking the vast majority of our warriors/defenders of liberty, on the opposite side of the globe... while this planet's communists, arabs and south american socialists conspire against us, in the comfort of Brazil.

talk about classical military misdirection techiniques of sun tzu taught in war college... the chinese are laughing their asses off at us.

pass me a copy of mao's gospel... comrade.



8 posted on 05/13/2005 5:56:43 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (The minutemen are 'vigilantes' doncha know?)
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To: joesnuffy

Why isn't the act of forging identity papers a felony?...

it is...
if YOU do it.

lotsa crimes illegals commit, aren't.
but if'ns you do em, YOU are going to the big house.

illegals have the right to commit crimes that are not going to be prosecuted.
get over it.
america is over guys.

the patriot act did NOTHING to the illegals and their crimes against this nation/state, but sure as hell put the clamps on YOU and your freedom to travel without 'papers'.

take a plane?
gotta have papers.
take a car?
gotta have papers.
wanna walk?
gotta have a state ID.

unless of course, you are not an american to begin with.
then, you have immunity from a LOT of stuff.

it's time to call a constitutional convention and start over with a new constitution. This one, apparently is NOT worth defending. Just ask W and his partners about their unwillingness to prosecute a war along our own border against the invading hordes from the south... while fighting wars on the other side of the planet.

sick and tired of it.
mid terms will see the end of the majority bush has frittered away.


10 posted on 05/13/2005 6:08:15 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (The minutemen are 'vigilantes' doncha know?)
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To: Boston Blackie

I don't have any problem with this decision. I don't think that employers should be permitted to use their own wrongdoing (i.e., the hiring of an illegal immigrant) as a defense to a demand that they accept the responsibilities that flow from their voluntary status as an employer.



11 posted on 05/13/2005 6:08:48 PM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Sí, estamos libres sonreír otra vez - ahora y siempre.)
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To: afnamvet
Logic lost

That was my initial thought, however, after re-reading your excerpt a few more times I began to look at it another way.

For instance, many feel that it is the employers of the illegal invaders that should be targeted & punished. The argument against this seems to be that ID is presented that appears legal so the employer has no idea they are employing illegals. (or so he claims)

Now - the New Hampshire Supreme Court...allows illegal immigrants who are injured while working in the state to sue their employers and recover lost earnings...which just might make the employers look a little closer at the legal status of potential employees. Sort of a back door approach to the problem without "offending" the felons, as well as keeping with our new legislatures, the supreme court.

Just a thought.

12 posted on 05/13/2005 6:09:00 PM PDT by Just A Nobody
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To: joesnuffy
Why isn't the act of forging identity papers a felony?... Homeland Security aka border patrol should push to make the illegal invasion of the United States of America whose borders they are sworn to protect...A felony

Bingo. I heard you - both times.

Seems like the typical Lib focus on the "perp" - well, they have rights, too!

They have one and only one right.

To go to jail.

As should refusal to protect our borders by the agents who have sworn to protect them...also..be a felony level crime.

NOT.

What?, you think the agents in the field got together and decided to ignore the problem.

I rather think they are doing what they are told to do.

imo

LVM

14 posted on 05/13/2005 6:14:27 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: afnamvet

Assuming the illegal alien didn't have forged papers and wasn't pretending to be legal, I think an employer has to pay for workplace injuries regardless of whether the employee was legal or illegal.

Employers are responsible for workplace injuries. That responsibility shouldn't be waived just because he cheated and hired an illegal alien.

If he purposely hired the illegal, he should also go to jail for violating the laws of the state and the country against hiring illegal aliens.


15 posted on 05/13/2005 6:15:17 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT (http://spaces.msn.com/members/criticallythinking)
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16 posted on 05/13/2005 6:15:31 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (The minutemen are 'vigilantes' doncha know?)
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To: The100thMonkey
I don't want to throw out this constitution.

Well, what you want matters not, the folks we elected have already done so. End of story.

I want to throw out those that prostitute it.

Good luck with that. They are both parties and the over fifty percent of americans that are employed directly by government. In other words, they have the leos, and the guns, and the body armor on THEIR side. They are NOT going to stop prostitution of anything, unless it fattens their bank account or gives them even more power.

furthermore they can legislate whatever they want into a crime, felony or regulation REGARDLESS of what the constitution says. they do it everywhere in every governmental body in every part of every state of this federal republic. its over pal. We elected the most 'conservative' president and congress we have had in 60 years and the situation is degrading. They wont' defend us against invasion and WILL jail us for doing so ourselves. Time to get over it, learn spanish, portugese and memorize mao's little red book.

This truly is a constitional crisis.

NO, it WAS a constitutional crisis. Now the constitution is meaningless to them, except for being used selectively for propaganda and emotion.

Freedoms and rights and governmental responsibilites for our border defense are being abridged at an alarming rate. The patriot act is doing things that Clintong would have been hung for trying. But only to citizens, the wetbacks and illegals from central and south america, have NO requirments, and are allowed to skate on felony forgery charges, while staying here in the USA.

Your papers please, for your safety comrade, thank you. (only applies to YOU and ME gringo)

Here come the jackbooted thugs to arrest us for mentioning it. You must be a vigilante!

17 posted on 05/13/2005 6:27:12 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (The minutemen are 'vigilantes' doncha know?)
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To: LasVegasMac
"I rather think they are doing what they are told to do." imo

I think you may be right. Did you notice the Homeland Security chief went to Arizona to talk over the border issues. Then right after that the Supervisor told the BP to stand down a little to discredit the MMP? Maybe the two are not related but it damn sure is suspicious.
18 posted on 05/13/2005 6:28:27 PM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Mears

bfl


19 posted on 05/13/2005 6:30:05 PM PDT by Mears (Keep the government out of my face!)
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To: Boston Blackie

I think this is ok.... If an employer hires an illegal, then he has the same responsibilities to that employee. This is good, it is one more reason for employers not to break the law and hire illegals.


20 posted on 05/13/2005 7:17:49 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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