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Abstinence speaker pushed religion in school, dad charges (condoms cause cancer?)
Bozeman Daily Chronicle ^ | 05/11/2005 | GAIL SCHONTZLER

Posted on 05/13/2005 8:40:19 AM PDT by Phantom Lord

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1 posted on 05/13/2005 8:40:22 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
I guess Mr. Tom Wells, a Bozeman attorney and father of a ninth-grader won't be able to let his ninth grader into the library.

here

2 posted on 05/13/2005 8:50:21 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: Phantom Lord

Abstinence-only supporters are the most self-righteous group of puritans you could ever run across. We ought to take them and the freaks "debating" evolution in Kansas and consign them to an island somewhere.


3 posted on 05/13/2005 8:50:31 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: Phantom Lord
Well, let's see:

that condoms lead to cancer

Latex contains carcinogens. "Lead to cancer" is a leap from that, but no worse than the junk science that has banned dozens of useful products

that birth control pills are only 20 percent effective

Inaccurate as stated, but "user error" among teens is enormous.

that sexually transmitted diseases are spread by skin contact alone

Some are.

that third-trimester fetuses can be aborted

Absolutely true.

that video games lead to homicide

It's been used as a homicide defense!

that human papilloma virus can be transferred through condoms

And also by genital contact without penetration, from areas not covered by condoms.

and that teens can achieve "second virginity" through abstinence.

Uh, no. Once you've done it, you've done it. A person can resume chastity at any time, but virginity doesn't come back.

4 posted on 05/13/2005 8:51:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Every day is Mother's Day when you have James the Wonder Baby!)
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Ooops... bad post... here
5 posted on 05/13/2005 8:53:33 AM PDT by BigFinn
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To: keepingtrack

Okay, which island are you going to send us to? Will you pay for the tickets?


6 posted on 05/13/2005 8:55:30 AM PDT by Luna (Lobbing the Holy Hand Grenade at Liberalism)
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To: keepingtrack

What's wrong with promoting abstinence-only? It's a great pre-emptive solution for those seeking to grow the spiritual fruit of self-control.

Re: "self-righteous...puritans": Yes, while I follow the writings and theology of the Puritans - righteousness comes from God, not from self.


7 posted on 05/13/2005 8:57:30 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art.")
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To: keepingtrack

As an abstinence only supporter, I rest easy at night knowing that the methods I recommend are 100% effective and 100% safe when used.


8 posted on 05/13/2005 8:59:45 AM PDT by Bryan24
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To: keepingtrack

Thanks, newbie.


9 posted on 05/13/2005 9:00:14 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
What's wrong with promoting abstinence-only?

1. It's totally unrealistic;

2. Its supporters KNOW that it is totally unrealistic, and resort to telling outrageous lies in order to convince people of the merits of their argument, as we see in the example of the speaker in this article.

10 posted on 05/13/2005 9:00:17 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: Bryan24

"When used" being the operative word.

Look, I have no problem with people following an abstinence-only lifestyle. That's great--they can do whatever they want. It's just that almost every single study ever conducted shows that people have an awfully hard time following the command to refrain from sex.

I also have a difficult time with adults, who are pas their prime, lecturing others on how they need to refrain from their natural urges.


12 posted on 05/13/2005 9:02:51 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: Tax-chick
A person can resume chastity at any time, but virginity doesn't come back.

I agreed with your post up until this your last statement. You're wrong!

OK, almost wrong :-)

Moroccan women undergo surgery for "virginity"

Waiting for her turn at a private gynaecologist's clinic in the Moroccan capital, Nawal wanted to fix one last thing to ensure a perfect marriage of convenience. With the 2,500 dirhams she borrowed, she will undergo a surgical procedure that she hopes, will convince her new husband she is a virgin. "My cousin asked to marry me believing I'm a virgin. I accepted because I need a husband. So we'll both get what we want," said the 26-year-old textile worker.

The minor operation consists of hooking biodegradable suture clips on the hymen to provoke bleeding during the first sexual intercourse on the wedding night


13 posted on 05/13/2005 9:03:26 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: Tax-chick
"second virginity"

but virginity doesn't come back.

The scare quotes used in the sentence means that she was using the term as a metaphor and was not meant literally.

14 posted on 05/13/2005 9:03:30 AM PDT by Michael.SF.
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"Tom Wells, a Bozeman attorney"

That's all I need to know. And what do you bet - a card-carrying ACLU member???


15 posted on 05/13/2005 9:03:35 AM PDT by mlc9852 (Here we go AGAIN!)
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To: keepingtrack
Here we go again . . .

. . . creationists, abstinence-only supporters . . . self-righteous, freaks, puritans . . .

Another broken record.

This creationist believes that abstinence is the only safe route for my kids. You can teach yours whatever you so desire - including your natural selection theory applied to stupid kids having sex.

16 posted on 05/13/2005 9:04:15 AM PDT by DesertSapper (I Love God, Family, Country! (and dead terrorists))
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To: keepingtrack

As a parent of teens, I'm all for the abstinence program. However, I see no reason schools should have any input whatsoever when it comes to issues like this. It should be the job of the parents. As for your evolution rant, what is wrong with the holes in evolution being presented?


17 posted on 05/13/2005 9:05:02 AM PDT by mlc9852 (Here we go AGAIN!)
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To: keepingtrack

While I've never heard that condoms cause cancer, multiple partners sure can (for females, anyway). Cervical cancer is directly linked to a virus transmitted sexually. (Discovered by the lack of cervical cancer in nuns.)


18 posted on 05/13/2005 9:05:11 AM PDT by Explorer89 (rm -rf *)
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To: keepingtrack

There are, believe it or not, teens who are NOT having sex!


19 posted on 05/13/2005 9:06:43 AM PDT by mlc9852 (Here we go AGAIN!)
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"It adds, "sex with condoms isn't totally 'safe sex,' but it is 'less risky' sex."

A gun with just three bullets in the cylinder, instead of fully loaded, isn't a safe gun but it's a less risky gun. However, you are just as dead if it goes off with the barrel pointed at your head. I suggest complete abstinence in pointing a gun barrel at your head.

20 posted on 05/13/2005 9:11:20 AM PDT by joebuck
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