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Abstinence speaker pushed religion in school, dad charges (condoms cause cancer?)
Bozeman Daily Chronicle ^ | 05/11/2005 | GAIL SCHONTZLER

Posted on 05/13/2005 8:40:19 AM PDT by Phantom Lord

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To: Tax-chick
Wow. She is homely!

This is homely?

Your pictures please.

61 posted on 05/13/2005 10:07:09 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Raycpa

62 posted on 05/13/2005 10:08:02 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Phantom Lord

I was looking at the link in post 36. Your picture is a Tripod logo.

Homely is in the eye of the beholder, of course.


63 posted on 05/13/2005 10:08:56 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Every day is Mother's Day when you have James the Wonder Baby!)
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To: It's me
Ok. So are you also going to provide them with cigarettes and alcohol?

They are going to smoke and drink anyway

Well, our True Lies speaker, Tina Holewinski is a spokesperson for alcohol and tobacco products so maybe we should ask her about it.

64 posted on 05/13/2005 10:09:01 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: keepingtrack
I also have a difficult time with adults, who are pas their prime, lecturing others on how they need to refrain from their natural urges.

Look around you when you're out and about. There are people of all ages walking around who are more than capable of refraining from sex.

It just seems you aren't.

65 posted on 05/13/2005 10:09:25 AM PDT by k2blader ('Lost' ping list - Please FReepmail me if you want on/off. :-)
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To: keepingtrack
I also have a difficult time with adults, who are pas their prime, lecturing others on how they need to refrain from their natural urges.

Ever heard of self-restraint?

One of reasons for the moral decline in this country is because too many people give in to their "natural urges" to the detrement of society as a whole.

I give you the AIDS epidemic as a good example.

66 posted on 05/13/2005 10:11:00 AM PDT by moondoggie
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To: Luna
Okay, which island are you going to send us to? Will you pay for the tickets?

I'll pass around a collection plate.
Would the donations be tax deductable though?
67 posted on 05/13/2005 10:11:27 AM PDT by newcats
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To: Phantom Lord
An irate father is demanding that Bozeman High School present students with a rebuttal to what he called "extremely biased religious dogma" delivered by an assembly speaker who warned teens against the dangers of drugs, drinking and premarital sex.

Can they get Bill Clinton up there to speak for the joys of drugs, drinking, and extramarital sex ?

68 posted on 05/13/2005 10:11:33 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: Phantom Lord

Right--and I'm sure she adopts the line that drinking and smoking are fine as long as they are done in a responsible manner. It's only when it comes to sex that she wants to act like a Puritan.


69 posted on 05/13/2005 10:11:43 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: Tax-chick

Far from homely. The photo is quite large, tho'.. :-)


70 posted on 05/13/2005 10:12:10 AM PDT by k2blader ('Lost' ping list - Please FReepmail me if you want on/off. :-)
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To: keepingtrack
but studies do suggest that using condoms may reduce your risk of developing diseases linked to HPV, such as genital warts and cervical cancer.

I get the impression that you are male. As a woman, knowing the potential consequences of HPV infection, I don't find these weasel-words reassuring.

71 posted on 05/13/2005 10:16:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Every day is Mother's Day when you have James the Wonder Baby!)
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To: Raycpa
6. Do most women in the United States use contraceptives?

* More than nine in 10 women who are at risk of unintended pregnancy (women who are sexually active, able to become pregnant, and neither pregnant nor trying to become pregnant) are using a contraceptive method. [10]

7. How well do contraceptives work?

* Modern contraceptive methods are highly effective—so much so that nearly half (47%) of all unintended pregnancies in the United States occur among the small proportion (7%) of women at risk of unintended pregnancy who do not practice contraception. Women using contraceptives experience the following failure rates:

Failure rate: the percentage of women using contraceptives who will become pregnant during their first year of use, by method

Method % of women who will become pregnant, according to type of use
Perfect use Typical use
Cervical cap 18 28
Diaphragm 6 16
Implant 0.05 1
Injectable 0.3 3
IUD (Copper T 380A) 0.6 1
Male condom 3 15
No method 85 85
Periodic abstinence (calendar method) 9 25
Pill (combined [estrogen-progestin] oral contraceptive) 0.1 8
Spermicides 6 29
Sponge 15 30
Tubal sterilization 0.5 0.7
Vasectomy 0.1 0.2
Withdrawal 4 27
(For sources, see reference 11.) http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/sci_data/misc/type_txt/nsfgc88.asp

Observation/question. If a woman can get pregnant 8% of the time during the first year of the use of a pill, do they reach 24% after 3 years?


72 posted on 05/13/2005 10:17:42 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: moondoggie

Every generation acts like rutting elk when they are teenagers. EVERY generation. And, like clockwork, that generation grows up into adulthood, and begins fretting that "teenagers these days are just having too much sex!" I would wager that there has not been a single generation that was not obsessed with the amount of sex that (they feared) their children were having.

It has nothing to do with self-restraint. My parents taught me that sex is natural and good, and that it is best enjoyed with someone with whom you are in a serious relationship. Anything else can lead to more problems than it's worth. And that's advice I followed, and that I will pass on to my kids.

I've known far too many people whose parents pushed a "absolutely no sex!" line on them, and, guess what? Those people were always having way more sex than my friends whose parents were more realistic about the same thing.


73 posted on 05/13/2005 10:17:47 AM PDT by keepingtrack
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To: k2blader

Are you looking at the picture from 36, or the one Phantom Lord posted? Is there a way to view whatever the Tripod logo is hiding?


74 posted on 05/13/2005 10:18:39 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Every day is Mother's Day when you have James the Wonder Baby!)
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To: Machines Are Us
The effectiveness of birth control pills is debatable and regardless far less effective than abstinence.

I don't think you're reading the part about STDs right. There is an obvious "can be" in there as in:

that sexually transmitted diseases "can be" spread by skin contact alone
Which is entirely true.
75 posted on 05/13/2005 10:19:14 AM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Tax-chick; k2blader
Here is a link to the page that I tried to post a photo from.

I attempted to post the 5th one down.

Tax-chick, if you still find her "homely" after viewing the photos on this page, I again (with all due respect) ask you to post photos of yourself to determine your "homeliness".

76 posted on 05/13/2005 10:23:16 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Phantom Lord; keepingtrack

Allowing this sort of garbage in public schools leads to dangerous ignorance. Remember the Congressman or Senator some years back, who made himself the laughing stock of the whole world, when he claimed (while arguing that abortion shouldn't be legal even in cases of rape), that women can't get pregnant from rape, because if it's not consensual they secrete some substance that prevents pregnancy? He "learned" that from listening to some wacko anti-abortion speaker many years prior, and had believed it ever since.

BTW, the condoms are quite effective at preventing transmission of HPV, and that fact accounts for the CORRELATION between oral contraceptive use and higher rates of HPV infections. Oral contraceptive use reduces the rate of condom use, and thus allows transmission of HPV which wouldn't have occurred with condom use.


77 posted on 05/13/2005 10:23:21 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Phantom Lord

Kind of Tori Spelling-ish, but better than the first one I saw.

Pictures of me are on the Fayetteville FReep thread :-).


78 posted on 05/13/2005 10:25:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Every day is Mother's Day when you have James the Wonder Baby!)
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To: keepingtrack

Abstinence-only supporters are the most self-righteous group of puritans you could ever run across. We ought to take them and the freaks "debating" evolution in Kansas and consign them to an island somewher



That isnt really necessary they live in a world all of their own as it is... :o)


79 posted on 05/13/2005 10:25:34 AM PDT by Tungenchek
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To: It's me
Ok. So are you also going to provide them with cigarettes and alcohol?

No, but I'm going to teach them about the hazards of cigarettes and alcohol and encourage them to use such products as safely as possible.

80 posted on 05/13/2005 10:27:15 AM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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