Posted on 05/13/2005 8:13:39 AM PDT by Alex Marko
In 1996, shortly after Hiss's death, a collection of Venona decrypts was declassified. One of the messages, dated March 30, 1945, refers to an American with the code name Ales. According to the message, Ales was a Soviet agent working in the State Department, who accompanied President Roosevelt to the 1945 Yalta Conference and then flew to Moscow, both of which Hiss did. The message goes on to indicate that Ales met with Andrei Vyshinsky, the Commissar for Foreign Affairs, and was commended for his aid to the Soviets. Analysts at the National Security Agency have gone on record asserting that Ales could only have been Alger Hiss
ITA, Carter would've probably done as much harm if he'd been in office longer....FDR had Americans so dazzled with the "freebies" we couldn't see the harm down the road.
"When the Germans surrendered, the Japanese army was virtually untouched, fresh, and formidable."
Huh? The 20,000+ dead Japs at Iwo Jima beg to differ, as do the thousands of dead Japs in China, Burma, the Phillippines, etc, the crews of the sunken carrier fleet at the bottom of the Pacific off Midway and in the Coral Sea, the thousands of dead Jap pilots at Guadalcanal, the Marianas Turkey Shoot, and elsewhere, the sunken Jap fleets at Leyte Gulf and elsewhere, etc. The only hurdle left in the Pacific at VE day was Okinawa. The Japanese had long resorted to the panic-button tactic of the kamikaze, due to an extreme shortage of skilled pilots, which itself was due to skilled Americans shooting them out of the skies all over the Pacific. During all this, the Jap citizenry got to experience the horrors of nightly incindiary (sp?) bombing raids by the American Army Air command, which killed more people than the combined death toll of the atomic weapons. In short, the Japanese military and citizenry were close to capitulation by the time VE day arrived. Only their arrogance and ignorance prolonged the war.
" In conventional terms we were looking at a horrendous and maybe even unwinable battle with the Japanese."
Horrendous? Absolutely. Unwinnable? No. It was only a matter of time and bodies before the inevitable occurred.
I do agree with your point that it's probably not fair to criticize FDR 60 years later.
What's next - will some future President start apologizing for us having to drop 2 atomic bombs on them? Apologize for slavery? Apologize to Southerners for Sherman's March to the Sea? Bad precedent being set here, IMO.
You're watching too much History propaganda Channel.
Thank you for that heads-up....that is definitely something I will put on my reading list.
The only hurdle left in the Pacific at VE day was Okinawa.
That is not the view of a lot of historians OR the military planners who were tasked with figuring out how to take the main islands. The citizens were terrorized by propaganda about how horrible the Americans were and the military was in no way prepared to surrender.
In short, the Japanese military and citizenry were close to capitulation by the time VE day arrived. Only their arrogance and ignorance prolonged the war.
Churchill is being unfairly slammed here. By the time Yalta occured, FDR was in the driver's seat and drifting away from Churchill. While Churchill wouldn't be considered politically correct by today's standards, it seems that FDR was more complicit in this agreement with Stalin. Read Newsweek Reporter John Meachum's account in Franklin & Winston.
This is most fascinating. Will we ever know the truth, or just bits and pieces to contemplate?
Thanks for that insight. I know everyone has their opinions....it is easy to play Monday-morning quarterback. Not that there is really anything wrong in debating the past, expressing your opinion, etc...but I always try to remember that hindsight is 20/20.
Plus, I, personally, try to be very careful in what I say so I don't in anyway appear to be trashing The Greatest Generation (not that anyone here has or would), but you know what I mean.
Have a great day!
I got to this part and stopped reading. Obviously the author has never been in the Crimea, which is the Ukraine's riviera, and Yalta is it's pearl.
Why believe anything else he has to say?
Just wanted to add that when it was brought to FDR's attention that A. Hiss was possibly a Soviet Spy, FDR told the informant to go F--- himself. I think the informant may have been McCarthy, but I'm not 100% sure.
That incident says a lot about about FDR's attitude toward the commies.
BTTT
True...but Yalta was wrong.
What do you feel about Presidents apologizing for the decision of predecessors?
The practice made me queasy when Clinton did it and assuming Bush was actually APOLOGIZING here, it makes me queasy now.
"I said, well since FDR was a socialist himself, giving us social security, federal income taxes, and basically lying and I believe, allowing us to be attacked at Pearl Harbor to get the US into WWII, then he deserved picking on."
And don't forget, as did another 'great' Democratic president, FDR was getting a little on the side.
Berle was at the White House the following day to convey this information to FDR. The president coldly told Berle to perform an anatomically impossible act, and both Hiss and White remained at their posts..."
You can't decide who was worse, FDR or Carter?
Please -- we had a massive military build-up under FDR. We became the world's military superpower and industrial giant under FDR. We not only became the world's weathiest nation but had the fewest casualties as a result of WWII, due in large part to FDR's Lend-Lease.
On the other hand, Carter gutted the military, gave away the Panama Canal, etc., etc.
Yalta was a big mistake by FDR, but I believe if someone like Carter had been President during WWII, we'd be speaking German today.
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