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Teens seek debate vs. Limbaugh
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | May 13, 2005 | KATE N. GROSSMAN Education Reporter

Posted on 05/13/2005 6:13:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Rush Limbaugh said on his nationally syndicated radio show that Evanston Township High School students "don't know anything about World War II" and "they've probably never heard the name Adolf Hitler" because they're so focused on a multicultural curriculum.

Some Evanston kids want to show Limbaugh what they know. They want to debate him on American history.

"I think [a debate] would be great because then we'd prove him wrong and open up his opinion a little bit," Sarah Loeb, an ETHS sophomore, said Thursday.

'Balkanizing this country'

Limbaugh's comments came after he read a Christian Science Monitor article Tuesday that profiled global studies courses required at ETHS. Limbaugh railed against multicultural education generally and singled out the North Shore school.

"What multiculturalists is, is balkanizing this country," Limbaugh said Tuesday. "People are coming here from various parts of the world and they're bringing their cultures with them and the multiculturalists are saying 'your culture is better than the American culture. The American culture is discriminatory, it's racist, sexist, bigot, homophobic.' "

Limbaugh's producer did not return a call on whether Limbaugh would agree to a debate.

"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said. "But I think he might be interested if he wants to live up to his reputation and back up his ideas so he doesn't look stupid."

All ETHS sophomores choose among several "global perspectives" courses covering the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Russia. In the Middle East class, for example, students adopt a new identity for the semester -- a Syrian baker or a medical student in Qatar -- and try to view what's transpiring in the region from that perspective.

In 2003, ETHS won an excellence in international education award from the Asia Society and the Goldman Sachs Foundation. ETHS offers seven languages, including Japanese and Hebrew, and has several clubs with an international flavor, including Model United Nations and Amnesty International. Students and staff also point out that the school requires yearlong courses in U.S. history and Western civilization.

"It's funny to me that someone would say we don't know about World War II -- we live in a large Jewish community," said Jane Biliter, a senior. Each year, the school hosts activities for Holocaust Remembrance Week. "Until 10th grade, all we did was U.S. and European history. It's just so false that what he says is funny."

School officials haven't decided how -- or if -- they intend to respond to Limbaugh.

Tests show he's wrong

"It struck me as incomprehensible that somebody would think multiculturalism antithetical to American values," Supt. Allan Alson said. "I was stunned that he had such certainty that our kids were not knowledgeable about basic American history when in fact our student do extremely well" on standardized tests in that area. "It's a shame he lets his conclusions determine his evidence."

Aaron Becker, who teaches the Middle East class, said his students also are considering sending Limbaugh essays they've written on American history.

"This is a perfect teachable moment," Becker said. "Kids are angry and want to respond by showing they know a lot, that it's not a zero-sum game, that you can learn about more than one history."

Becker said the kids will decide how best to respond.

"It's not even worth responding to," said Aaron Hamilton, a senior. "He has nothing to say about my education and my future. He's just a guy talking on the radio."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: campuscommies; campusradicals; cary; dhpl; education; history; historyeducation; rush; rushlimbaugh
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To: randog; Cincinatus' Wife

Be fun to listen to though, maybe he could do this on his radio show.


21 posted on 05/13/2005 6:32:24 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I'd be all for this. Rush would expose this total lack of knowledge public school kids have on History.

Going to school...can you remember anyone that cared about history (I did)...the mantra was, "why do I need to learn about the past".

He'd wipe the floor with them. Expose them Rush!!


22 posted on 05/13/2005 6:32:56 AM PDT by wallcrawlr ("You are, without question, a liar." posted on 05/12/2005 3:44:38 PM CDT by Dimensio)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Maybe he might be a little intimidated because I don't know his basis for saying we don't know anything," Sarah said. "But I think he might be interested if he wants to live up to his reputation and back up his ideas so he doesn't look stupid."

The arrogance of high school students who think that their little bit of data they have received from woefully inadequate textbooks makes them more informed than someone who has been around the block a few times is utterly amazing.

23 posted on 05/13/2005 6:33:11 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
So its big news when Limbaugh is thought to be "caught" being wrong about something. I thought Limbaugh was so full of lies and distortions and purposeful misleadings every day of his existence that it couldn't possibly be big news.

Often the left is caught in their own lies by things just like this. You don't demonize a man and brand him a perpetual liar that is wrong about everything and then turn around and make a news story out of one instance where they think they can REALLY prove him wrong. It highlights how the left lies about everything else associated with Limbaugh.
24 posted on 05/13/2005 6:33:48 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth (Stamp out liberals with the big boot of truth)
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To: Pikamax
"....the school has strong participation in Model United Nations...."

I wonder if they practiced selling lunchmoney vouchers for answers to test questions, raping foreign students, or perhaps sexually harassing the staff?

25 posted on 05/13/2005 6:33:57 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

"young skulls full of mush" ping


26 posted on 05/13/2005 6:34:32 AM PDT by dennisw (Richard Thompson songs: http://www.rtlist.net/listen.htm)
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To: massgopguy
Not surprising.


Any career with the word "social" in it seems to to be indicatve of "mind numbed robots".


My appologies for plagerizing ... Rush.

27 posted on 05/13/2005 6:34:40 AM PDT by G.Mason ( Save the Republic from the shallow, demagogic sectarians.)
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To: b4its2late; Recovering_Democrat; Alissa; Pan_Yans Wife; LADY J; mathluv; browardchad; cardinal4; ...

28 posted on 05/13/2005 6:35:25 AM PDT by Born Conservative ("Mr. Chamberlain loves the working man, he loves to see him work" - Winston Churchill)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I hope he does it.


29 posted on 05/13/2005 6:36:54 AM PDT by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I wonder if they practiced selling lunchmoney vouchers for answers to test questions, raping foreign students, or perhaps sexually harassing the staff?

Or looting the cafeteria, which really did happen at the UN. :D

30 posted on 05/13/2005 6:39:21 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: dd5339

I hope Rush takes them up on the challenge! It ought to be an amusing slaughter of young minds...


31 posted on 05/13/2005 6:40:34 AM PDT by Vic3O3 (Jeremiah 31:16-17 (KJV))
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To: Tungenchek

Rush should be careful with this one. First, we don't know which version of History would be debated - reality or the liberal version. Second, would any rebuttal by Rush simply be considered hate speech and ignored as an example of the politics of personal destruction. And Finally, would the media hail the opinions of these children even greater if Rush tore them apart in the debate. Most liberals come to fame after great failures in their political and cultural past.


32 posted on 05/13/2005 6:40:42 AM PDT by lnbchip
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"All ETHS sophomores choose among several "global perspectives" courses covering the Middle East, Africa, Latin America, Asia and Russia. In the Middle East class, for example, students adopt a new identity for the semester -- a Syrian baker or a medical student in Qatar -- and try to view what's transpiring in the region from that perspective."

(I've underlined my own emphasis, above).

My take is that as long as one does this, but all along maintains one perspective that America is still the greatest, there is nothing wrong with it.

Great training for the intelligence analysts and intelligence operatives of America's future, our high school students. Our enemies in Pyongyang, Beijing, Teheran, elsewhere etc. do the exact reverse.

However, given that the courses in the USA would by default--knowing our educational system in most cases--probably be taught with an anti-US bias/grudge by slanted, guilt-ridden anti-USA liberal teachers, it would be meaningless.

I am all for American high school students learning much more in the way of countries, world politics, languages, cultures, traveling to those nations, and becoming more sophisticated--if at the end of the day IT CAN BE PUT TO USE ON BEHALF OF THE INTERESTS OVERSEAS OF THE AMERICAN EAGLE.

33 posted on 05/13/2005 6:41:45 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: lnbchip

I think he would have to prove that his remarks were accurate...

That to me would be the test...

If they can show that he was wrong in his evaluation..

They would win..


34 posted on 05/13/2005 6:44:13 AM PDT by Tungenchek
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To: dhuffman@awod.com

bttt


35 posted on 05/13/2005 6:47:38 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: VRWCmember

The reason you don't know his basis is because you don't know anything indeed.


36 posted on 05/13/2005 6:51:37 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: anniegetyourgun

HAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAA!!!

Direct Hit! I can't wait to read the list of resolutions they submit against Rush.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to clean cocoa off of my keyboard and my blouse.


37 posted on 05/13/2005 6:54:05 AM PDT by Kitten1 (Look in the nearest mirror, the reflection may surprise you.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"It's not even worth responding to," said Aaron Hamilton, a senior

I agree with Aaron, although I'm sure I would enjoy some kind of an exchange whereby the kids could showcase their knowledge of U.S. history.

38 posted on 05/13/2005 6:55:04 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: whereasandsoforth
I expect there's been a wee bit of coaching from the teachers and administrators of this school about Rush's comments.

Public schools are being exposed for their LIBERALISM and their inadequacies. They're losing the blind public support they've enjoyed for so long.
39 posted on 05/13/2005 6:55:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Rush Limbaugh said on his nationally syndicated radio show that Evanston Township High School students "don't know anything about World War II" and "they've probably never heard the name Adolf Hitler" because they're so focused on a multicultural curriculum. ....This entire article is based on these two out-of-context sentence fragments. Does anyone have the actual quote? Was he quoting the CSM article?
40 posted on 05/13/2005 6:56:15 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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